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> This is not meant to defend cruel people, I just want to raise a few points about farms. You seem to have some sympathy with farm workers, but the points you

by MarkMc 14y ago

> This is not meant to defend cruel people, I just want to raise a few points about farms. You seem to have some sympathy with farm workers, but the points you raise have had the opposite effect on me - I am now more inclined to want laws which specifically allow videotaping animal cruelty, even at the expense of privacy/trespass rights. > Farmers and farm help see animals as money, so they won't do anything that could jeopardize being paid (won't damage the product). That's true, but aren't there also situations where greater suffering of the animal would lead to greater profit for the farmer? For example, keeping a pig enclosed in a very small cage, or weening piglets at a very early age?

kyrra 14y ago
We may have different images in our minds when we talking about animal cruelty. There are different things people can do to be cruel to their animals and they may do it for different reasons. Honestly, I can't talk on this subject all that well. I've never had to work a farm, but I've had a number of friends over the years that grew up on farms and I got to hear lots of fun stories about it. Seeing and hearing these interactions with animals may change your opinion on the subject (either to help you understand why farm hands act the way they do, or to make you a vegetarian). My main point is: being a farmer is hard, the pay isn't all that great. Try to understand what a farmer has to do on a daily basis. See how they look at their animals. Put yourself in their shoes. But to really do this, you need exposure to see what they deal with. This could be in-person exposure or a detailed run-through in a book or documentary. The media likes to report the scandalous issues about farming, but there are many farmers that treat their animals properly. Don't base your opinions on farming from the few that are cruel.
- katbyte 14y ago
  >My main point is: being a farmer is hard, the pay isn't all that great. Try to understand what a farmer has to do on a daily basis. That's no excuse to mistreat animals. > but there are many farmers that treat their animals properly. And there are others who don't. They are the reason why laws need to be in place to ensure animals are treated fairly and why videotaping them being cruel should not be outlawed.

by MarkMc 14y ago

kyrra 14y ago

We may have different images in our minds when we talking about animal cruelty. There are different things people can do to be cruel to their animals and they may do it for different reasons. Honestly, I can't talk on this subject all that well. I've never had to work a farm, but I've had a number of friends over the years that grew up on farms and I got to hear lots of fun stories about it. Seeing and hearing these interactions with animals may change your opinion on the subject (either to help you understand why farm hands act the way they do, or to make you a vegetarian). My main point is: being a farmer is hard, the pay isn't all that great. Try to understand what a farmer has to do on a daily basis. See how they look at their animals. Put yourself in their shoes. But to really do this, you need exposure to see what they deal with. This could be in-person exposure or a detailed run-through in a book or documentary. The media likes to report the scandalous issues about farming, but there are many farmers that treat their animals properly. Don't base your opinions on farming from the few that are cruel.

katbyte 14y ago
>My main point is: being a farmer is hard, the pay isn't all that great. Try to understand what a farmer has to do on a daily basis. That's no excuse to mistreat animals. > but there are many farmers that treat their animals properly. And there are others who don't. They are the reason why laws need to be in place to ensure animals are treated fairly and why videotaping them being cruel should not be outlawed.