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Can't the people filming the cruelty just re-brand themselves as undercover journalists and get all the protection journalists receive?

gambiting 14y ago
You can't just "brand" yourself a journalist. You need a licence and accreditation.
- TomGullen 14y ago
  I wasn't aware that was the case, can't anyone be a self proclaimed investigative journalist?
  - gambiting 14y ago
    You can write articles, but you don't get all the laws protecting journalists without getting a licence first. And even then, you usually need to be working for a press agency to get all privileges, you don't get all of them by being a freelancer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_pass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_pass
    - mnutt 14y ago
      The top-level comment is proposing using journalism as a defense against prosecution, not trying to secure press passes to go into the farms and film. A press pass is not a license. Of the court cases I remember, most used a number of factors to determine whether or not the defendant qualified as a journalist.
      - gambiting 14y ago
        It's more a question of whatever journalist-protecting laws should apply to you in a certain situation, not whatever you are a journalist or not. Conducting successful surgery does not make you a doctor, a proper licence does.
        mnutt 14y ago
        I agree with both sentences, but don't see the connection between the two. Are you arguing for how the law currently works, or how you would like it to work? Currently, there is no such thing as a journalism license in the US.
  - jarito 14y ago
    It is not, he's wrong. Whether someone is, or is not, a journalist has been decided by courts in the past as part of the application of the various journalist shield laws. Working for a well-known publication and having a journalism degree certainly helps your case, but it is not required.
    - gambiting 14y ago
      You can only get to certain places with a press pass, like war zones and such, and it grants you diplomatic immunity and journalist protection from many things that could happen to you :P You can't just run in yelling "I am a journalist!" and expecting everyone to accept it. Either you are accredited or you are not.
- pessimizer 14y ago
  Maybe in Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia.
  - gambiting 14y ago
    Well, in these countries too, what's your point?
    - pessimizer 14y ago
      Not in the US. There is no such thing as a journalist's license. That's my point. I can issue a press pass to my cubicle and have security escort out people who don't have one. That does not make it a journalist's license. Stop spreading bizarre misinformation.
vaadu 14y ago
Trespassing is a crime no matter how noble your intentions.

gambiting 14y ago

You can't just "brand" yourself a journalist. You need a licence and accreditation.

TomGullen 14y ago
I wasn't aware that was the case, can't anyone be a self proclaimed investigative journalist?
- gambiting 14y ago
  You can write articles, but you don't get all the laws protecting journalists without getting a licence first. And even then, you usually need to be working for a press agency to get all privileges, you don't get all of them by being a freelancer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_pass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_pass
  - mnutt 14y ago
    The top-level comment is proposing using journalism as a defense against prosecution, not trying to secure press passes to go into the farms and film. A press pass is not a license. Of the court cases I remember, most used a number of factors to determine whether or not the defendant qualified as a journalist.
    - gambiting 14y ago
      It's more a question of whatever journalist-protecting laws should apply to you in a certain situation, not whatever you are a journalist or not. Conducting successful surgery does not make you a doctor, a proper licence does.
      - mnutt 14y ago
        I agree with both sentences, but don't see the connection between the two. Are you arguing for how the law currently works, or how you would like it to work? Currently, there is no such thing as a journalism license in the US.
- jarito 14y ago
  It is not, he's wrong. Whether someone is, or is not, a journalist has been decided by courts in the past as part of the application of the various journalist shield laws. Working for a well-known publication and having a journalism degree certainly helps your case, but it is not required.
  - gambiting 14y ago
    You can only get to certain places with a press pass, like war zones and such, and it grants you diplomatic immunity and journalist protection from many things that could happen to you :P You can't just run in yelling "I am a journalist!" and expecting everyone to accept it. Either you are accredited or you are not.
pessimizer 14y ago
Maybe in Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia.
- gambiting 14y ago
  Well, in these countries too, what's your point?
  - pessimizer 14y ago
    Not in the US. There is no such thing as a journalist's license. That's my point. I can issue a press pass to my cubicle and have security escort out people who don't have one. That does not make it a journalist's license. Stop spreading bizarre misinformation.

vaadu 14y ago

Trespassing is a crime no matter how noble your intentions.