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Actually don't worry too much about the polygraph, it's complete pseudoscience. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Polygraph http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Polygraph

tikwidd 14y ago
and yet, still used
- Udo 14y ago
  They're using the idea of the polygraph, the actual measurements could mean anything. It's the "conversation" during and after the test that counts. Of course it's also a great medium to screw someone over, but that's a whole other thing.
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  - rdtsc 14y ago
    Yap it is just an interrogation. However, knowing about how the polygraph is ineffective and letting the administrator know will often result in 'FAILURE'. They will specifically ask questions related to polygraph terminology (lingo, abbreviations) to see if you are familiar. It effectively lets through psychopaths, very good liar or those that know how polygraphs work and presumably practiced passing it.
- reidmain 14y ago
  In most countries polygraph tests are inadmissible in court. They are typically used in criminal investigations as a way to make suspects feel uneasy so investigators can pick up visual tells.
  - singular 14y ago
    The example here is somebody who apparently needs to take one to access some confidential information - and clearly they take a pass/fail seriously, so it seems some (presumably US?) government agencies do take it seriously enough to make passing one a security requirement.
    - reidmain 13y ago
      Good point. A quick Google search doesn't seem to bring up any laws that prevent employers from using polygraph results in determining whether to hire or fire someone.
ihsw 14y ago
It's not used to detect lies, it's used to measure how a person reacts under pressure. It's a low-level torture device meant to intimidate. The fact that police services can use it to extract confessions is just a nice bonus, and it's really a really cheap alternative to conducting a complete and thorough investigation. Police policy has for a long time favored confessions over investigations.
fusiongyro 14y ago
It is complete pseudoscience. In the Penn and Teller's BS episode about it they have a guy who teaches people how to get whatever result they want by controlling their anal sphincter. Apparently it's not complicated. It is, however, still a part of getting or maintaining clearance. A friend of mine wound up changing jobs simply because he failed the polygraph twice and didn't want to bother going in for a third.
- singular 14y ago
  Yeah I also read that taking an anti-anxiety medication such as Valium beforehand can have similar results.
charonn0 14y ago
I've passed several polygraph exams when (if they actually worked) I shouldn't have. Utter bollocks, them.

tikwidd 14y ago

and yet, still used

Udo 14y ago
They're using the idea of the polygraph, the actual measurements could mean anything. It's the "conversation" during and after the test that counts. Of course it's also a great medium to screw someone over, but that's a whole other thing.
- deleted 14y ago
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- rdtsc 14y ago
  Yap it is just an interrogation. However, knowing about how the polygraph is ineffective and letting the administrator know will often result in 'FAILURE'. They will specifically ask questions related to polygraph terminology (lingo, abbreviations) to see if you are familiar. It effectively lets through psychopaths, very good liar or those that know how polygraphs work and presumably practiced passing it.
reidmain 14y ago
In most countries polygraph tests are inadmissible in court. They are typically used in criminal investigations as a way to make suspects feel uneasy so investigators can pick up visual tells.
- singular 14y ago
  The example here is somebody who apparently needs to take one to access some confidential information - and clearly they take a pass/fail seriously, so it seems some (presumably US?) government agencies do take it seriously enough to make passing one a security requirement.
  - reidmain 13y ago
    Good point. A quick Google search doesn't seem to bring up any laws that prevent employers from using polygraph results in determining whether to hire or fire someone.

ihsw 14y ago

It's not used to detect lies, it's used to measure how a person reacts under pressure. It's a low-level torture device meant to intimidate. The fact that police services can use it to extract confessions is just a nice bonus, and it's really a really cheap alternative to conducting a complete and thorough investigation. Police policy has for a long time favored confessions over investigations.

fusiongyro 14y ago

It is complete pseudoscience. In the Penn and Teller's BS episode about it they have a guy who teaches people how to get whatever result they want by controlling their anal sphincter. Apparently it's not complicated. It is, however, still a part of getting or maintaining clearance. A friend of mine wound up changing jobs simply because he failed the polygraph twice and didn't want to bother going in for a third.

singular 14y ago
Yeah I also read that taking an anti-anxiety medication such as Valium beforehand can have similar results.

charonn0 14y ago

I've passed several polygraph exams when (if they actually worked) I shouldn't have. Utter bollocks, them.