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I find the fact that an intelligence agency does not understand Wikipedia scarier than the actual bullying. These are people allowed to circumvent the law in or

I find the fact that an intelligence agency does not understand Wikipedia scarier than the actual bullying. These are people allowed to circumvent the law in order to protect the country. People who do counter-espionage and counter-terrorism it what amounts to a police state. If they can't figure out this, how are they dealing with the serious stuff?

ptaipale 14y ago
My thoughts exactly. Intelligence agencies ought to be, well, intelligent.
- lifeisstillgood 14y ago
  This is not about intelligence - its about Point of View. We the French government have said that 100ft tower over there is a secret - so don't look at it. We the people of a democracy like to look around and ask questions like "what is that 100ft tower over there?"
  - MacsHeadroom 14y ago
    "We the people of a democracy?" Democracy has nothing to do with censorship. Italy, for example, is both far more democratic and employs more censorship than the US does. The US is one of the least democratic democracies in the world. An abismal percentage of the population votes on anything. The president is chosen by about 9% of the people. 9% of the population chosing a corporate puppet to write executive orders is a democracy? Okay, sure...
    - lifeisstillgood 14y ago
      Democracy is a choice - 9% or 99% it is a free choice of those people. No one is preventing them exercising their votes except themselves. Don't like the corporate puppet bit? The sunlight foundation amongst others is a good place to start. Oh and don't knock the USA too quickly - Italy only makes "flawed" democracy in the Economist global rankings. Edit: the 9% did strike me as low. Turnout in 2012 was 58% and Obama won on 51:49 - making him elected with ~30% not 9%. Are you somehow counting minors (ie whole population) to drag that down to 9%? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elec...
      - ptaipale 14y ago
        Can't be that, no so many minors in the US. 24 % are minors, not 70 %. And anyway, democracy is that you have the right to vote, not that everyone votes, or that all votes are for the one that got elected. In fact, the places where someone is elected with 100 % of votes are decidedly not democratic.
usamec 14y ago
I disagree. They just found the most simple way how to delete that article.
- stefantalpalaru 14y ago
  It did not work. The article was quickly reinstated by another user and the whole thing backfired.
  - ibejoeb 14y ago
    Haven't read through it all yet, but presumably he's just been "recruited" to make it work. They've probably go some dirt on him. That's probably not even the material they care about, at least in the long term.
- fnordfnordfnord 14y ago
  But look how well it worked. The article stayed deleted for mere hours, and now it's been seen by more people than if they'd taken out an advert in the Times.

ptaipale 14y ago

My thoughts exactly. Intelligence agencies ought to be, well, intelligent.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago
This is not about intelligence - its about Point of View. We the French government have said that 100ft tower over there is a secret - so don't look at it. We the people of a democracy like to look around and ask questions like "what is that 100ft tower over there?"
- MacsHeadroom 14y ago
  "We the people of a democracy?" Democracy has nothing to do with censorship. Italy, for example, is both far more democratic and employs more censorship than the US does. The US is one of the least democratic democracies in the world. An abismal percentage of the population votes on anything. The president is chosen by about 9% of the people. 9% of the population chosing a corporate puppet to write executive orders is a democracy? Okay, sure...
  - lifeisstillgood 14y ago
    Democracy is a choice - 9% or 99% it is a free choice of those people. No one is preventing them exercising their votes except themselves. Don't like the corporate puppet bit? The sunlight foundation amongst others is a good place to start. Oh and don't knock the USA too quickly - Italy only makes "flawed" democracy in the Economist global rankings. Edit: the 9% did strike me as low. Turnout in 2012 was 58% and Obama won on 51:49 - making him elected with ~30% not 9%. Are you somehow counting minors (ie whole population) to drag that down to 9%? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elec...
    - ptaipale 14y ago
      Can't be that, no so many minors in the US. 24 % are minors, not 70 %. And anyway, democracy is that you have the right to vote, not that everyone votes, or that all votes are for the one that got elected. In fact, the places where someone is elected with 100 % of votes are decidedly not democratic.

usamec 14y ago

I disagree. They just found the most simple way how to delete that article.

stefantalpalaru 14y ago
It did not work. The article was quickly reinstated by another user and the whole thing backfired.
- ibejoeb 14y ago
  Haven't read through it all yet, but presumably he's just been "recruited" to make it work. They've probably go some dirt on him. That's probably not even the material they care about, at least in the long term.
fnordfnordfnord 14y ago
But look how well it worked. The article stayed deleted for mere hours, and now it's been seen by more people than if they'd taken out an advert in the Times.