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EDIT: If, like it randomly happens to me, the link takes you in the middle of a french discussion, you just need to scroll all the way down to get a much more e
by johnchristopher 14y ago
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If, like it randomly happens to me, the link takes you in the middle of a french discussion, you just need to scroll all the way down to get a much more explicative message from the WMF about the chain of events.
I always have a hard time navigating wp discussion pages. Here is what looks like a more informative post that the one linked in the title of this HN post. EDIT: disregard that comment about the title as it might be a navigation problem on my side.
> First, my apologies for speaking in English in response to this thread, but I fear my French would not be adequate to convey what I would like to. If someone who is fluent in English and French would be so kind as to translate my message so that everyone on this thread can understand it, I would very much appreciate that. The Wikimedia Foundation's legal team was contacted by Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur in early March regarding the French language Wikipedia article entitled "La station hertzienne militaire de Pierre sur Haute". The Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur requested that we delete the article in its entirety under the claim that it contained classified military information. I responded to Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur, requesting more detailed information because it was not apparent what classified information the article could possibly contain from a plain reading of the article. The Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur repeatedly failed to provide any further information and simply continued to make a general takedown demand, despite my explanation that we could not remove the information without more information from them. Eventually, I had no choice but to refuse their request until they are willing to provide me with more information so that I can properly evaluate their claim under legal standards. The community remains free, of course, to retain or remove the article as it sees fit. But at this point, we do not see a demonstrated reason to remove it on legal grounds. --Michelle Paulson, Legal Counsel (WMF)
And this is "Remi"'s first post about the whole thing (rough translation and report):
> Bonjour,
> je vous informe que l'article Station hertzienne militaire de Pierre sur Haute vient d'être supprimé par mes soins. Cet article contrevenait à l'article 413-11 du code pénal français (compromission du secret de la Défense nationale). La police française m'a convoqué en tant qu'administrateur, suite au refus de la Wikimedia Foundation de supprimer cet article en l'état des éléments fournis.
> La remise en ligne engagera la responsabilité pénale de l'administrateur qui aura effectué cette action.
Remi M. (d · c). À Paris, ce 4 avril 2013 à 11:11 (CEST)
In a nutshell:
- He deleted an article about a military radio station (Pierre sur Haute) ;
- he states that that article violates article 413-411 of the french penal code (violation of state defense secret) ;
- french police asks him to come to their office for a little chat (can't recall the english legalese for this) following wikimedia foundation refusal to delete the article. Him=a wikipedia administrator.
- he finally states that any admin who restores the article would face legal and penal consequences.
I understand from this first post that it is implied he deleted the article after the whole wikimedia refusal to delete the article but don't quote me on that and check for the exact chronology of events yourself when it surfaces.
There is also now a debate about the role of wikipedia admin on articles and their rights to delete or endorse responsabilities (I haven't read everything yet, take my rough report and translation with a grain of salt).
- ernesth 14y agoThe debate is also fueled by the fact that "Rémi" is not simply "a" wikipedia admin but the president of Wikimedia France: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9mi_Mathis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9mi_Mathis ; which drives people to ask for him to resign.
- kerneis 14y ago> to ask for him to resign Actually, they ask for him to resign as a wikipedia administrator as long as he remains the president of wikimedia France (not the other way round).