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>>Those communities also had beachheads to move to: neighbors and family to support them while they moved. It also helps that they are willing to take almost a

>>Those communities also had beachheads to move to: neighbors and family to support them while they moved. It also helps that they are willing to take almost any job and work their asses off. It will keep you from being homeless.

steveklabnik 14y ago
They also didn't have crippling mental illness to deal with. > It will keep you from being homeless. It does help, but it will not always keep you from homelessness. There simply aren't enough jobs.
- justin_vanw 14y ago
  Are you saying mental illness makes someone broken, like a cripple? Foucault! Come quick! Seriously though, 'there aren't enough jobs' is just a weird thing to say. Aren't enough jobs for what? For everyone to not be homeless? Let me paint you a picture. You are homeless. At night, when it rains, you get wet. After a day of panhandling, you have $30. Do you: 1. Buy a meal (loaf of bread and coffee, $4) and save as much as possible for bus fare. 2. Buy a tent, so at least you can stay dry and avoid illness. 3. Buy 2 fifths of rotgut vodka and drink it on the sidewalk. The problem has absolutely nothing to do with jobs. If you had 5 open jobs for every person in the country, the same people would still be homeless.
  - steveklabnik 14y ago
    > Are you saying mental illness makes someone broken, like a cripple? Foucault! Come quick! Yes, I am saying that the way that we treat people who have mental health issues discourages them even further. > Aren't enough jobs for what? I have friends from college who had to move back in with their parents because they literally could not find a job. They applied everywhere, even McDonalds. No work. > If you had 5 open jobs for every person in the country, the same people would still be homeless. No, they wouldn't. _Some_ people would be, there's always the travel punk kids. But even your hypothetical is giving me a decision between rational choices. You left off the 'the voices from your paranoid schizophrenia are so loud that all you can do is lie there in a ball' option.
    - dsfasfasf 14y ago
      >>I have friends from college who had to move back in with their parents because they literally could not find a job. They applied everywhere, even McDonalds. No work. I have another anecdote to counter your anecdote. I have a friend just arrived a couple of weeks ago. In the first week she was able to find two jobs. One in a hotel in the buffet area and another in a clothing factory.

steveklabnik 14y ago

They also didn't have crippling mental illness to deal with. > It will keep you from being homeless. It does help, but it will not always keep you from homelessness. There simply aren't enough jobs.

justin_vanw 14y ago
Are you saying mental illness makes someone broken, like a cripple? Foucault! Come quick! Seriously though, 'there aren't enough jobs' is just a weird thing to say. Aren't enough jobs for what? For everyone to not be homeless? Let me paint you a picture. You are homeless. At night, when it rains, you get wet. After a day of panhandling, you have $30. Do you: 1. Buy a meal (loaf of bread and coffee, $4) and save as much as possible for bus fare. 2. Buy a tent, so at least you can stay dry and avoid illness. 3. Buy 2 fifths of rotgut vodka and drink it on the sidewalk. The problem has absolutely nothing to do with jobs. If you had 5 open jobs for every person in the country, the same people would still be homeless.
- steveklabnik 14y ago
  > Are you saying mental illness makes someone broken, like a cripple? Foucault! Come quick! Yes, I am saying that the way that we treat people who have mental health issues discourages them even further. > Aren't enough jobs for what? I have friends from college who had to move back in with their parents because they literally could not find a job. They applied everywhere, even McDonalds. No work. > If you had 5 open jobs for every person in the country, the same people would still be homeless. No, they wouldn't. _Some_ people would be, there's always the travel punk kids. But even your hypothetical is giving me a decision between rational choices. You left off the 'the voices from your paranoid schizophrenia are so loud that all you can do is lie there in a ball' option.
  - dsfasfasf 14y ago
    >>I have friends from college who had to move back in with their parents because they literally could not find a job. They applied everywhere, even McDonalds. No work. I have another anecdote to counter your anecdote. I have a friend just arrived a couple of weeks ago. In the first week she was able to find two jobs. One in a hotel in the buffet area and another in a clothing factory.