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You keep pretending that those words don't actually apply, even though when I nailed you down on the definitions, you acknowledged it, you just said it was OK b

You keep pretending that those words don't actually apply, even though when I nailed you down on the definitions, you acknowledged it, you just said it was OK because the behaviour is acceptable when it's your team that's doing it. If that excuse works for you, that's fine, but it doesn't negate the fact that the labels still accurately apply, you've just tried to justify them.

Nursie 14y ago
Oh for god's sake. No I didn't. Read the thread back. I do not agree that tax and extortion are equivalent, neither do I agree that government is by nature parasitic, nor that its aims are necessarily expansionist. These are emotionally coloured labels and presume that your worldview is absolutely correct. I do agree (and said as much) that we delegate the use of violence to our representatives, but I'd quite like to know how libertarians would enforce property rights without violence, and why that's just AOK but not allowed for any other right we grant ourselves. This is where you're just as guilty of allowing 'your team' to get away with something. --edit-- anyway, I'm done here, I'm pretty sure we've demonstrated that you're intolerant of other worldviews
- etherael 14y ago
  Playing games with labels whilst refusing to accept the essential characteristics of the underlying subject doesn't make you correct. It's not taxation, it's extortion. It's not quantitative easing, it's debasement. It's not enhanced interrogation, it's fucking torture. It's not pre-emptive targeted killing, it's assassination. It's not lobbying, it's bribery. Putting your thugs in uniforms does not make them other than thugs. It doesn't matter which of these labels you accept, the description does not modify the reality. The map is not the territory. I am sick to death of statist word game bullshit and yes, I will not silently take it while being told once again that war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. Good day.

Nursie 14y ago

Oh for god's sake. No I didn't. Read the thread back. I do not agree that tax and extortion are equivalent, neither do I agree that government is by nature parasitic, nor that its aims are necessarily expansionist. These are emotionally coloured labels and presume that your worldview is absolutely correct. I do agree (and said as much) that we delegate the use of violence to our representatives, but I'd quite like to know how libertarians would enforce property rights without violence, and why that's just AOK but not allowed for any other right we grant ourselves. This is where you're just as guilty of allowing 'your team' to get away with something. --edit-- anyway, I'm done here, I'm pretty sure we've demonstrated that you're intolerant of other worldviews

etherael 14y ago
Playing games with labels whilst refusing to accept the essential characteristics of the underlying subject doesn't make you correct. It's not taxation, it's extortion. It's not quantitative easing, it's debasement. It's not enhanced interrogation, it's fucking torture. It's not pre-emptive targeted killing, it's assassination. It's not lobbying, it's bribery. Putting your thugs in uniforms does not make them other than thugs. It doesn't matter which of these labels you accept, the description does not modify the reality. The map is not the territory. I am sick to death of statist word game bullshit and yes, I will not silently take it while being told once again that war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. Good day.