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I'm sorry to hear this. This so-called gender issue is becoming a big loss for the community. I think people need to realize that there are differences between

I'm sorry to hear this. This so-called gender issue is becoming a big loss for the community. I think people need to realize that there are differences between facts and being gender discriminating. Transcribing a conversation with your wife, wherein the wife in this case is the non-technical part is not discriminating - it is a fact. No-one would have said anything if a woman posted "How I explained REST to My Husband". Please, stop this overreaction to the so-called gender issues.

seivan 14y ago
I wonder if anyone would have been upset if it was called "How I explained it to my partner"
- petercooper 14y ago
  Single people.
- dgesang 14y ago
  Or if PETA would've shown up if he'd "explained it to his dog".
arethuza 14y ago
I'm tempted to ask my wife to write a blog post on "How I explained different kinds of Alternative Dispute Resolution mechanisms in the construction industry to my husband". I'm lucky enough to be married to an expert in her field so I get to learn lots of cool stuff just by asking!
- oellegaard 14y ago
  Sounds pretty interesting, if you do, please post it on HN :)
  - arethuza 14y ago
    Every time she mentions that stuff I have to be careful not to say "Arbiter, cool - just like Halo!" [although I always think it].
- ntumlin 14y ago
  Please make sure to submit it with the title "How I Explained Different Kinds of Alternative Dispute Resolution Mechanisms in the Construction Industry to my Significant Other" and keep it as gender neutral as possible to prevent yourself from being discriminatory.
brazzy 14y ago
> Transcribing a conversation with your wife, wherein the wife in this case is the non-technical part is not discriminating - it is a fact. Except it was not a transcription, it was some sort of Socratic dialog with the "wife" part being written just so in order to create the optimum amount of tech ignorance for the author to fill. > No-one would have said anything if a woman posted "How I explained REST to My Husband". Really? I'm pretty sure there would have been a lot of remarks about the reversal of the "normal" roles. Really, I dislike overzealous feminism but I can understand this case. The point of the title was really to convey "this is an explanation of REST for non-programmers". Since approximately none of us know the author's wife and whether she lacks technical understanding, the real title actually doesn't convey this information unless you add the stereotype that women don't understand tech.
- sbandyopadhyay 14y ago
  I don't think you're right that he made up his wife's words to achieve a Socratic dialogue, and then pinned it on his wife. I think she actually did it. The evidence is this comment by Ryan Tomayko, taken from the Wayback link (which appears elsewhere in this thread): > There’s a bit of context missing from the beginning of the post: I had been busy at work and hadn’t seen her much in the past week or so. When that happens she starts getting jealous of the laptop and wants to hover over my shoulder — that’s a sign, it means: put it down and pay attention to me. If I don’t heel to that hint, she’ll start asking me about whatever’s on the screen. If I’m lucky it’s vim and a terminal running screen, which freaks her out and she leaves. Otherwise, I’m usually in the browser or my newsreader. It just so happened that at this time, I was reading Roy’s Bio so she saw his picture and says, “Who is Roy Fielding??!?,” using the exact the same tone and inflection you might when saying “WTF?” > When this happens, I usually just say, “Oh, it’s nothing,” or something like, “it’s just some stuff about a thing.” > Anyway, the funny thing is that I wasn’t really trying to explain anything at first. It started out as a bit of joke — a be careful what you ask for type thing. But then she says, “Oh, I get it.” and I so I kept on going and the next thing I know we’re talking about polymorphism and URL canonicalization and all kinds of crazy shit.
- neya 14y ago
  >it was some sort of Socratic dialog with the "wife" part being written just so in order to create the optimum amount of tech ignorance for the author to fill. Wait, you: 1) Are not the author. You have no idea what the author had in mind when he wrote those. 2) BUT, you are accusing the author of sexism by presuming a sexist version of the event by YOURSELF and accusing the author for it, despite the author CLEARLY letting you know he didn't intend it to become so. 3) Are manipulating statements purposely to induce fiery discussions amongst an otherwise peaceful community. >Since approximately none of us know the author's wife and whether she lacks technical understanding, the real title actually doesn't convey this information unless you add the stereotype that women don't understand tech. This is enough proof that you are here to add nothing but controversy and promote nonconstructive discussion. If you read the original article, which I recommend you please do if you haven't (looks like you didn't anyway), the Wife clearly asks Wife: How does it work? which is more than enough reason for someone like her husband to explain the technical stuff to her. It's clearly not because of her gender. People like you who jump straight into conclusions like 'yes it's sexism! bury him alive!' are the reason why I feel uncomfortable sitting next to a woman from the tech sector with the fear of losing my job or being accused of being a sexist for no reason apparently. I honestly hope that someday I can just sit next to a 'person' without being conscious of their gender..and that day is when this world will be a much happier place to live in, with trolls like you left aloof.
JPKab 14y ago
I used this article to explain REST to so, so many non-technical folks, as well as techies who were enamored with SOAP. You are right about the gender issue being a loss for the community. Now this article is taken down because people are stupid and lack nuance when their emotions kick in. There was never anything misogynistic about this article, but now because of an absurd responsibility of authors to never possibly offend the ignorant, or the knee-jerk reactionaries, or the (I hate to say it) offended for the sake of attention people. The professional victimization cult that has hijacked gender and race issues on so many fronts take away from real victims of real gender and race discrimination. These professional victim cults are easy to recognize: they will do absolutely nothing to help victims of discrimination unless they belong to one particular group that they identify with. How many parenting articles written by women discriminate against "bumbling men" who "can't handle the kids?" Where are these groups then? My mother bailed on my 4 siblings and I when I was 3, and left my dad to take all of us on. She never paid a cent of child support, but I had to grow up watching crap like "choosy mom's choose JIF" and "Dr. Mom recommends Robitussin." My mother was a drug addict, and a feminist organization paid her legal bills when she tried to take us away from my father after being gone for 5 years. They never once asked me or my siblings what we thought, for them there was a bigger battle to fight that was beyond the immediate victims. The professional victim cults don't care about discrimination, they just care about the streams of funding they get from particular special interest groups. In the meantime, take a look at high school graduation rates of females vs. males, and ask yourself who needs more help these days.
- brazzy 14y ago
  Just be sure not to slide into the professional victim cult of "males suppressed by evil feminazis"... Hyperbole and escalation is NOT the right way to fix this issue. Just accept that there's a problem, however small and partially subjective, and think about how to solve it constructively while being neither defensive nor giving in to unreasonable demands.
jeremy6d 14y ago
I don't mind overreactions to gender issues. I mind reactions that actually retard our progress towards a more egalitarian and just society. Getting people to censor content you object to takes information away from the ongoing conversation. Personally blaming Ryan for sexism misunderstands gender norms and privileges as some sort of "original sin" people carry around. The concerns are not bullshit, but the way they are addressed is. But they're not addressing the issue as human beings but as ideologues whipping a fallen humanity into shape, so what do you expect?

seivan 14y ago

I wonder if anyone would have been upset if it was called "How I explained it to my partner"

petercooper 14y ago
Single people.
dgesang 14y ago
Or if PETA would've shown up if he'd "explained it to his dog".

arethuza 14y ago

I'm tempted to ask my wife to write a blog post on "How I explained different kinds of Alternative Dispute Resolution mechanisms in the construction industry to my husband". I'm lucky enough to be married to an expert in her field so I get to learn lots of cool stuff just by asking!

oellegaard 14y ago
Sounds pretty interesting, if you do, please post it on HN :)
- arethuza 14y ago
  Every time she mentions that stuff I have to be careful not to say "Arbiter, cool - just like Halo!" [although I always think it].
ntumlin 14y ago
Please make sure to submit it with the title "How I Explained Different Kinds of Alternative Dispute Resolution Mechanisms in the Construction Industry to my Significant Other" and keep it as gender neutral as possible to prevent yourself from being discriminatory.

brazzy 14y ago

> Transcribing a conversation with your wife, wherein the wife in this case is the non-technical part is not discriminating - it is a fact. Except it was not a transcription, it was some sort of Socratic dialog with the "wife" part being written just so in order to create the optimum amount of tech ignorance for the author to fill. > No-one would have said anything if a woman posted "How I explained REST to My Husband". Really? I'm pretty sure there would have been a lot of remarks about the reversal of the "normal" roles. Really, I dislike overzealous feminism but I can understand this case. The point of the title was really to convey "this is an explanation of REST for non-programmers". Since approximately none of us know the author's wife and whether she lacks technical understanding, the real title actually doesn't convey this information unless you add the stereotype that women don't understand tech.

sbandyopadhyay 14y ago
I don't think you're right that he made up his wife's words to achieve a Socratic dialogue, and then pinned it on his wife. I think she actually did it. The evidence is this comment by Ryan Tomayko, taken from the Wayback link (which appears elsewhere in this thread): > There’s a bit of context missing from the beginning of the post: I had been busy at work and hadn’t seen her much in the past week or so. When that happens she starts getting jealous of the laptop and wants to hover over my shoulder — that’s a sign, it means: put it down and pay attention to me. If I don’t heel to that hint, she’ll start asking me about whatever’s on the screen. If I’m lucky it’s vim and a terminal running screen, which freaks her out and she leaves. Otherwise, I’m usually in the browser or my newsreader. It just so happened that at this time, I was reading Roy’s Bio so she saw his picture and says, “Who is Roy Fielding??!?,” using the exact the same tone and inflection you might when saying “WTF?” > When this happens, I usually just say, “Oh, it’s nothing,” or something like, “it’s just some stuff about a thing.” > Anyway, the funny thing is that I wasn’t really trying to explain anything at first. It started out as a bit of joke — a be careful what you ask for type thing. But then she says, “Oh, I get it.” and I so I kept on going and the next thing I know we’re talking about polymorphism and URL canonicalization and all kinds of crazy shit.
neya 14y ago
>it was some sort of Socratic dialog with the "wife" part being written just so in order to create the optimum amount of tech ignorance for the author to fill. Wait, you: 1) Are not the author. You have no idea what the author had in mind when he wrote those. 2) BUT, you are accusing the author of sexism by presuming a sexist version of the event by YOURSELF and accusing the author for it, despite the author CLEARLY letting you know he didn't intend it to become so. 3) Are manipulating statements purposely to induce fiery discussions amongst an otherwise peaceful community. >Since approximately none of us know the author's wife and whether she lacks technical understanding, the real title actually doesn't convey this information unless you add the stereotype that women don't understand tech. This is enough proof that you are here to add nothing but controversy and promote nonconstructive discussion. If you read the original article, which I recommend you please do if you haven't (looks like you didn't anyway), the Wife clearly asks Wife: How does it work? which is more than enough reason for someone like her husband to explain the technical stuff to her. It's clearly not because of her gender. People like you who jump straight into conclusions like 'yes it's sexism! bury him alive!' are the reason why I feel uncomfortable sitting next to a woman from the tech sector with the fear of losing my job or being accused of being a sexist for no reason apparently. I honestly hope that someday I can just sit next to a 'person' without being conscious of their gender..and that day is when this world will be a much happier place to live in, with trolls like you left aloof.

JPKab 14y ago

I used this article to explain REST to so, so many non-technical folks, as well as techies who were enamored with SOAP. You are right about the gender issue being a loss for the community. Now this article is taken down because people are stupid and lack nuance when their emotions kick in. There was never anything misogynistic about this article, but now because of an absurd responsibility of authors to never possibly offend the ignorant, or the knee-jerk reactionaries, or the (I hate to say it) offended for the sake of attention people. The professional victimization cult that has hijacked gender and race issues on so many fronts take away from real victims of real gender and race discrimination. These professional victim cults are easy to recognize: they will do absolutely nothing to help victims of discrimination unless they belong to one particular group that they identify with. How many parenting articles written by women discriminate against "bumbling men" who "can't handle the kids?" Where are these groups then? My mother bailed on my 4 siblings and I when I was 3, and left my dad to take all of us on. She never paid a cent of child support, but I had to grow up watching crap like "choosy mom's choose JIF" and "Dr. Mom recommends Robitussin." My mother was a drug addict, and a feminist organization paid her legal bills when she tried to take us away from my father after being gone for 5 years. They never once asked me or my siblings what we thought, for them there was a bigger battle to fight that was beyond the immediate victims. The professional victim cults don't care about discrimination, they just care about the streams of funding they get from particular special interest groups. In the meantime, take a look at high school graduation rates of females vs. males, and ask yourself who needs more help these days.

brazzy 14y ago
Just be sure not to slide into the professional victim cult of "males suppressed by evil feminazis"... Hyperbole and escalation is NOT the right way to fix this issue. Just accept that there's a problem, however small and partially subjective, and think about how to solve it constructively while being neither defensive nor giving in to unreasonable demands.

jeremy6d 14y ago

I don't mind overreactions to gender issues. I mind reactions that actually retard our progress towards a more egalitarian and just society. Getting people to censor content you object to takes information away from the ongoing conversation. Personally blaming Ryan for sexism misunderstands gender norms and privileges as some sort of "original sin" people carry around. The concerns are not bullshit, but the way they are addressed is. But they're not addressing the issue as human beings but as ideologues whipping a fallen humanity into shape, so what do you expect?