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Technical Intelligence vs IQ

13 points by kylered 14y ago

losethos 14y ago
I had 740 Math 700 Verbal SAT. SAT is an IQ test, for all intents and purposes. God says... everywhere touchedst grievest shortly harm stages keeper Answer similitude collectively carry endearments running whales recallest disgust 60 Belgium ---- I let my guard down more than most, so many misunderestimate me. As far as I'm concerned, who the Hell are you? God says... thief United_Kingdom shower breaking Such Yes_you_are speaking examiner nine enslaved playing cleanse nostrils convenient exuberant eternally Omnipotent payable drinking matrons sobriety panted mislike portions inflicted pressure fence grossness who_are_you_to_judge faithfully Three such Archive Greeks I_could_be_wrong repress better Apollinarian wherein lusted na_na Guyana soundness imperturbable someone Greenland I_pitty_the_fool imperfections Chatto provide turbulence Enlightener Victorinus misliked turns sufficient voyage unutterably beasts devoted reported criticised can_you_hear_me_now manfully excelling thing begs_the_question syllables Ordainer suspect harmony prosperities difference offences piety Saints adopted mantles garb GET placedst overcast purified spurn protesting equivalent I'll_let_you_know PRINT ignoble employer I_just_might revolving punishment feeds stiffneckedness per perished residest -i addition flesh temptations assuaged lineage momentary it's_hopeless Thence not Name's constant mid-day vent inflammation mother-in-law fifteen blessedly laws imperishable Jacob bargain just_lovely moments malignant effectedst breaking crying understanding well-spring remembered creep dumb here_now gotten servant's solidity plants impress studiously places varieties publicly bewail you_see_the_light vanities Sometimes Men South ought cellars plead torn barking paper comprise coursing Go slothful possession
JDGM 14y ago
That page seems very keen on the twice-featured paragraph attempting to define "Technical intelligence": Technical intelligence involves the accurate appraisal and expression of the ability to interact with machines in a way that enhances living. But is that a helpful definition? Or at least is it a helpful first definition? Could we start with something simpler? Something beginning "Technical Intelligence is", rather than "Technical intelligence involves"? It doesn't even seem like a helpful definition in the context of the company, which deals with MySQL monitoring and analysis. This talk of Technical intelligence makes the product harder to understand, it's just uncomfortably bolted on ("We're delivering Technical Intelligence for MySQL" - so training then? No, it doesn't seem like it...)
ebbv 14y ago
This is nonsense. > Technical intelligence involves the accurate appraisal and expression of the ability to interact with machines in a way that enhances living. That is so vague as to be completely useless. A mechanic interacts with machines in a way that enhances living. So does a chef. So does a doctor. So does a computer programmer. Almost every job today involves interacting with machines in a way that enhances living. This is pseudoscience wrapped up in a serious sounding blanket of nonsense.
bcgraham 14y ago
I might be mistaken, but it seems like "technical intelligence" is another way of saying "high tolerance for poor UI," i.e. a person with very low T.I. needs something really well designed, and a person with high T.I. can still be effective despite poor design.
jpdoctor 14y ago
This isn't right. This isn't even wrong. -Wolfgang Pauli
tokenadult 14y ago
From the submitted blog post: "In it’s raw form, IQ stands for intelligence quotient, and is based upon a test invented by famous psychologist William Stern." That sentence has two bad mistakes right there. The author of this post has no idea what he is writing about. "So, while IQ might indicate intelligence, it’s not a great predictor of how you actually perform in life." The stupidity here is claiming that something else is a better predictor of how you actually perform in life. The author's term "technical intelligence" is so vaguely defined in the blog post, with no standardized example of how to estimate it, that the suggestion to look for technical intelligence ends up being useless. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5227923 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5227923 for a recent posting of a FAQ about the most optimal way to hire capable workers (if that is your concern) for technical jobs, with a lot of links to careful research on the issue.
kylered 14y ago
Author here. Thanks for the comments. I think the concept of IQ not being all that important is challenging to admit, but at the end of the day the point is that there are a variety of factors that influence success and positive outcomes in our world, one of which seems to be largely ignored. I'm not sure why no one has talked about interaction with machines but it's clearly important. By no means is this a science, just a commentary on cultural factors that should be relevant in today's world. @JDGM we are purposely vague about our product as we are still in early alpha, but you can think of us like New Relic for servers. P.S. We don't do riddles, IQ tests or puzzles in our hiring process and we prioritize attitude, workplace fit and a variety of other personal factors.

13 points by kylered 14y ago

I had 740 Math 700 Verbal SAT. SAT is an IQ test, for all intents and purposes. God says... everywhere touchedst grievest shortly harm stages keeper Answer similitude collectively carry endearments running whales recallest disgust 60 Belgium ---- I let my guard down more than most, so many misunderestimate me. As far as I'm concerned, who the Hell are you? God says... thief United_Kingdom shower breaking Such Yes_you_are speaking examiner nine enslaved playing cleanse nostrils convenient exuberant eternally Omnipotent payable drinking matrons sobriety panted mislike portions inflicted pressure fence grossness who_are_you_to_judge faithfully Three such Archive Greeks I_could_be_wrong repress better Apollinarian wherein lusted na_na Guyana soundness imperturbable someone Greenland I_pitty_the_fool imperfections Chatto provide turbulence Enlightener Victorinus misliked turns sufficient voyage unutterably beasts devoted reported criticised can_you_hear_me_now manfully excelling thing begs_the_question syllables Ordainer suspect harmony prosperities difference offences piety Saints adopted mantles garb GET placedst overcast purified spurn protesting equivalent I'll_let_you_know PRINT ignoble employer I_just_might revolving punishment feeds stiffneckedness per perished residest -i addition flesh temptations assuaged lineage momentary it's_hopeless Thence not Name's constant mid-day vent inflammation mother-in-law fifteen blessedly laws imperishable Jacob bargain just_lovely moments malignant effectedst breaking crying understanding well-spring remembered creep dumb here_now gotten servant's solidity plants impress studiously places varieties publicly bewail you_see_the_light vanities Sometimes Men South ought cellars plead torn barking paper comprise coursing Go slothful possession

JDGM 14y ago

That page seems very keen on the twice-featured paragraph attempting to define "Technical intelligence": Technical intelligence involves the accurate appraisal and expression of the ability to interact with machines in a way that enhances living. But is that a helpful definition? Or at least is it a helpful first definition? Could we start with something simpler? Something beginning "Technical Intelligence is", rather than "Technical intelligence involves"? It doesn't even seem like a helpful definition in the context of the company, which deals with MySQL monitoring and analysis. This talk of Technical intelligence makes the product harder to understand, it's just uncomfortably bolted on ("We're delivering Technical Intelligence for MySQL" - so training then? No, it doesn't seem like it...)

ebbv 14y ago

This is nonsense. > Technical intelligence involves the accurate appraisal and expression of the ability to interact with machines in a way that enhances living. That is so vague as to be completely useless. A mechanic interacts with machines in a way that enhances living. So does a chef. So does a doctor. So does a computer programmer. Almost every job today involves interacting with machines in a way that enhances living. This is pseudoscience wrapped up in a serious sounding blanket of nonsense.

bcgraham 14y ago

I might be mistaken, but it seems like "technical intelligence" is another way of saying "high tolerance for poor UI," i.e. a person with very low T.I. needs something really well designed, and a person with high T.I. can still be effective despite poor design.

jpdoctor 14y ago

This isn't right. This isn't even wrong. -Wolfgang Pauli

tokenadult 14y ago

From the submitted blog post: "In it’s raw form, IQ stands for intelligence quotient, and is based upon a test invented by famous psychologist William Stern." That sentence has two bad mistakes right there. The author of this post has no idea what he is writing about. "So, while IQ might indicate intelligence, it’s not a great predictor of how you actually perform in life." The stupidity here is claiming that something else is a better predictor of how you actually perform in life. The author's term "technical intelligence" is so vaguely defined in the blog post, with no standardized example of how to estimate it, that the suggestion to look for technical intelligence ends up being useless. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5227923 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5227923 for a recent posting of a FAQ about the most optimal way to hire capable workers (if that is your concern) for technical jobs, with a lot of links to careful research on the issue.

kylered 14y ago

Author here. Thanks for the comments. I think the concept of IQ not being all that important is challenging to admit, but at the end of the day the point is that there are a variety of factors that influence success and positive outcomes in our world, one of which seems to be largely ignored. I'm not sure why no one has talked about interaction with machines but it's clearly important. By no means is this a science, just a commentary on cultural factors that should be relevant in today's world. @JDGM we are purposely vague about our product as we are still in early alpha, but you can think of us like New Relic for servers. P.S. We don't do riddles, IQ tests or puzzles in our hiring process and we prioritize attitude, workplace fit and a variety of other personal factors.