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I'm extremely sorry if this blog post came across as rude; it was just one of those passing observations I thought I'd document. What I wanted to highlight is

I'm extremely sorry if this blog post came across as rude; it was just one of those passing observations I thought I'd document. What I wanted to highlight is - there are several seed stage venture funds around now, and one must be a tad careful lest they disclose to too many entities. I did edit the title as one member found it inflammatory and called it linkbait.

pg 18y ago
Not so much rude as irresponsible. The more serious the accusation, the more evidence you ought to have before making it. Other YC-like organizations have done various moderately dubious things over the years, but there's no evidence any of them have done anything so serious as stealing applicants' ideas.
- noelsequeira 18y ago
  But it wasn't an accusation at all. I've written clearly that both venture funds under discussion are too big to bother about a team that goes to another fund. The fact that these companies are similar and graduated at similar times from their respective funds prompted me to think about confidentiality irrespective of what really transpired between them. My stream of thought led me wonder how disclosure to an irresponsible fund (there are hundreds of funds all over the world now and you might have a black sheep - i'm sure you could allow me that assumption) might mean that a startup will have a clone to contend with when it graduates,and felt like sharing my thoughts. I'm not trying to implicate anyone (I could never gather the evidence for it, and even if I managed to, it would be an exercise in futility) and quite obviously none of these companies owe anyone explanations - they're quite wonderful. In fact over the course of compiling the article, I've read a fair bit about them and appreciate the effort each has put in into identifying differentiators and competing with a rival/rivals.
- davidw 18y ago
  Someone once wrote that, "in the narrow sense of the word, that startup ideas are worthless". However, we all seem to agree that "stealing" ideas would be sort of a shady thing to do, which indicates they do have some value. I still think that "narrow sense" needs more exposition.
ivankirigin 18y ago
one must be a tad careful lest they disclose to too many entities The more people you talk to about your idea, the better it gets. Open discussion is a great product design tool. There are good cases for secrets and taking care. But I'm afraid your comment will reinforce a bad idea in many who read it. A better mantra, though not exactly true either, is "your idea isn't worth anything".
- noelsequeira 18y ago
  That's an extremely interesting point and makes for good debate. And I'll surprise you by saying I subscribe to the school of thought that believes ideas are cheap. I honestly do. However, over time, i'm assuming you develop an ability to subject your idea to fairly rigorous evaluation based on experience; and confidentiality might then mean much more to you. It's really amazing though, the feedback and the varied points of view. I must compile a list of disclaimers to be prepended to the article. 'Don't be naive about your idea' definitely will be one of them!
  - ivankirigin 18y ago
    People that seek funding from early stage investors (and get rejected) probably don't have that much experience. They'll benefit just from the interview process, as it will hone the idea.
- froo 18y ago
  The more people you talk to about your idea, the better it gets. Completely agree, I think I've discussed my idea/startup with many people, I don't think I've been secretive with it at all. In my case though it's not so easy to steal - as it actually requires serious effort to implement and it's not a one winner takes all kind of market. But I've found discussing my idea with many people has helped mould what was a concept into a series of hurdles, which has made it clearer in my mind what I need to do. This has also helped me come up with several possibilities for shortcuts to get it to market earlier. I personally think that unless you're trailblazing something very new or producing something that can be easily copied, you probably shouldn't be trying to keep quiet about it. That's just my opinion though. EDIT - just an addendum. If you are going to discuss your idea with people, I find its best to NOT talk it over with your friends. The bias usually leans towards you getting overly positive feedback. Good for the ego, bad for the idea process.... you may end up wasting your time (which is your most valuable asset) on something not worthwhile.

pg 18y ago

Not so much rude as irresponsible. The more serious the accusation, the more evidence you ought to have before making it. Other YC-like organizations have done various moderately dubious things over the years, but there's no evidence any of them have done anything so serious as stealing applicants' ideas.

noelsequeira 18y ago
But it wasn't an accusation at all. I've written clearly that both venture funds under discussion are too big to bother about a team that goes to another fund. The fact that these companies are similar and graduated at similar times from their respective funds prompted me to think about confidentiality irrespective of what really transpired between them. My stream of thought led me wonder how disclosure to an irresponsible fund (there are hundreds of funds all over the world now and you might have a black sheep - i'm sure you could allow me that assumption) might mean that a startup will have a clone to contend with when it graduates,and felt like sharing my thoughts. I'm not trying to implicate anyone (I could never gather the evidence for it, and even if I managed to, it would be an exercise in futility) and quite obviously none of these companies owe anyone explanations - they're quite wonderful. In fact over the course of compiling the article, I've read a fair bit about them and appreciate the effort each has put in into identifying differentiators and competing with a rival/rivals.
davidw 18y ago
Someone once wrote that, "in the narrow sense of the word, that startup ideas are worthless". However, we all seem to agree that "stealing" ideas would be sort of a shady thing to do, which indicates they do have some value. I still think that "narrow sense" needs more exposition.

ivankirigin 18y ago

one must be a tad careful lest they disclose to too many entities The more people you talk to about your idea, the better it gets. Open discussion is a great product design tool. There are good cases for secrets and taking care. But I'm afraid your comment will reinforce a bad idea in many who read it. A better mantra, though not exactly true either, is "your idea isn't worth anything".

noelsequeira 18y ago
That's an extremely interesting point and makes for good debate. And I'll surprise you by saying I subscribe to the school of thought that believes ideas are cheap. I honestly do. However, over time, i'm assuming you develop an ability to subject your idea to fairly rigorous evaluation based on experience; and confidentiality might then mean much more to you. It's really amazing though, the feedback and the varied points of view. I must compile a list of disclaimers to be prepended to the article. 'Don't be naive about your idea' definitely will be one of them!
- ivankirigin 18y ago
  People that seek funding from early stage investors (and get rejected) probably don't have that much experience. They'll benefit just from the interview process, as it will hone the idea.
froo 18y ago
The more people you talk to about your idea, the better it gets. Completely agree, I think I've discussed my idea/startup with many people, I don't think I've been secretive with it at all. In my case though it's not so easy to steal - as it actually requires serious effort to implement and it's not a one winner takes all kind of market. But I've found discussing my idea with many people has helped mould what was a concept into a series of hurdles, which has made it clearer in my mind what I need to do. This has also helped me come up with several possibilities for shortcuts to get it to market earlier. I personally think that unless you're trailblazing something very new or producing something that can be easily copied, you probably shouldn't be trying to keep quiet about it. That's just my opinion though. EDIT - just an addendum. If you are going to discuss your idea with people, I find its best to NOT talk it over with your friends. The bias usually leans towards you getting overly positive feedback. Good for the ego, bad for the idea process.... you may end up wasting your time (which is your most valuable asset) on something not worthwhile.