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Note that its not about getting rich, but about not being broke. A very distinctive difference. Not being broke allows for a good life style. And that's what mo

Note that its not about getting rich, but about not being broke. A very distinctive difference. Not being broke allows for a good life style. And that's what most of all want.

PaulHoule 14y ago
Unfortunately the economic/political system as we know it isn't good at providing "not being broke" without "being rich".
- orangethirty 14y ago
  I agree. The difference between being broke/not broke is the same as being poor/rich. There is no middle class anymore. Which sucks.
  - Domenic_S 14y ago
    So much wrong with this statement I almost threw my monitor out the window. Broke is temporary. Poor is a state of mind and often may be permanent. More importantly, the implication is that without money, your life is meaningless - which is a terrible lie to believe. There is no middle class anymore: a line created by average folks who earn an average wage and spend too much and make minimum monthly payments on everything and after 20 years of humping the 9-5 or 10-6 or 12-7 wonder why their bank accounts are so anemic and why can't I retire to Hawaii like I planned to when I was 20? "Middle class" is a useless metric anyway, because when pressed to define it nobody can, or they massage the definition as the argument evolves. Here's the definition: if you qualify for government assistance, you're poor. If you don't have to work for your money - you might choose to, but you don't have to - you're rich. The middle class is right in between. I don't know about you, but I see a huge swath of people in between the states of "waiting in the government cheese line" and "collecting 6/7/8/9-figure interest checks".
    - orangethirty 14y ago
      You do make valid points. Yet I reason you are reading two much between the lines. My point is that there are less opportunities for people to make a good standard living than there were before. That is simply from my POV, and I can definitely be wrong.
      - lurker14 14y ago
        Before when? Maybe a few years ago was better. But 50 years? 100? No way.
    - Retric 14y ago
      Look, I save almost 1/4 of my income and I still feel poor in many ways. It's not about spending habits it's being able to survive bad shit financially. A friend of mine had a single seizure while looking for work and could not drive for 6 months plus significant medical bills. IMO, if you can't survive a minor medical issue financially then your not middle class and it's really hard to get there before 35 or if you have kids young.
      - Domenic_S 14y ago
        Do you feel poor or do you feel not-rich? There's a difference, and not-rich = middle class. Poor is thinking twice before buying a pack of gum. Poor is hand making clothes out of scrap material. Poor is waiting on EBT before doing the grocery shopping. That really sucks for your friend. But they exemplify the difference between broke and poor -- they were broke, in a bad spot; but I assume they're gainfully employed now and managing well (I hope).
      - lurker14 14y ago
        No one is immune to everything forever -- not even billionaire Steve Jobs. your friend wasn't poor before his seizure, but the seizure knocked him down. And of course several countries in the world do provide for the disabled. Even the US provides some support.
        14y ago
anoncow 14y ago
IMO I want to make things, cool things, innovative things, things that add value to peoples lives, things that will save lives, things that others will appreciate, and things that will make me happy and content. If I could achieve this without having to think about getting rich or becoming broke, I would. I don't want personal fame or appreciation either. I just want to be. I just want to do.
- nooneelse 14y ago
  Are you envisioning a monastic-like group dedicated to turning productive making toward eradicating human suffering and the like?
  - carocaro 14y ago
    Well, I'm definitely up for being a part of said group
    - precisioncoder 14y ago
      Yeah me too, where's the sign up sheet?
  - anoncow 14y ago
    >Are you envisioning a monastic-like group No, I did not think about it that way. I was thinking more on the lines of honest work and honest pay. Though if money was not a constraint many of us would be monks(as far as work is concerned).
marcamillion 14y ago
Fully agree. As Kanye said: "Having money aint everything...not having it is."

Note that its not about getting rich, but about not being broke. A very distinctive difference. Not being broke allows for a good life style. And that's what most of all want.

PaulHoule 14y ago

Unfortunately the economic/political system as we know it isn't good at providing "not being broke" without "being rich".

orangethirty 14y ago
I agree. The difference between being broke/not broke is the same as being poor/rich. There is no middle class anymore. Which sucks.
- Domenic_S 14y ago
  So much wrong with this statement I almost threw my monitor out the window. Broke is temporary. Poor is a state of mind and often may be permanent. More importantly, the implication is that without money, your life is meaningless - which is a terrible lie to believe. There is no middle class anymore: a line created by average folks who earn an average wage and spend too much and make minimum monthly payments on everything and after 20 years of humping the 9-5 or 10-6 or 12-7 wonder why their bank accounts are so anemic and why can't I retire to Hawaii like I planned to when I was 20? "Middle class" is a useless metric anyway, because when pressed to define it nobody can, or they massage the definition as the argument evolves. Here's the definition: if you qualify for government assistance, you're poor. If you don't have to work for your money - you might choose to, but you don't have to - you're rich. The middle class is right in between. I don't know about you, but I see a huge swath of people in between the states of "waiting in the government cheese line" and "collecting 6/7/8/9-figure interest checks".
  - orangethirty 14y ago
    You do make valid points. Yet I reason you are reading two much between the lines. My point is that there are less opportunities for people to make a good standard living than there were before. That is simply from my POV, and I can definitely be wrong.
    - lurker14 14y ago
      Before when? Maybe a few years ago was better. But 50 years? 100? No way.
  - Retric 14y ago
    Look, I save almost 1/4 of my income and I still feel poor in many ways. It's not about spending habits it's being able to survive bad shit financially. A friend of mine had a single seizure while looking for work and could not drive for 6 months plus significant medical bills. IMO, if you can't survive a minor medical issue financially then your not middle class and it's really hard to get there before 35 or if you have kids young.
    - Domenic_S 14y ago
      Do you feel poor or do you feel not-rich? There's a difference, and not-rich = middle class. Poor is thinking twice before buying a pack of gum. Poor is hand making clothes out of scrap material. Poor is waiting on EBT before doing the grocery shopping. That really sucks for your friend. But they exemplify the difference between broke and poor -- they were broke, in a bad spot; but I assume they're gainfully employed now and managing well (I hope).
    - lurker14 14y ago
      No one is immune to everything forever -- not even billionaire Steve Jobs. your friend wasn't poor before his seizure, but the seizure knocked him down. And of course several countries in the world do provide for the disabled. Even the US provides some support.
      - 14y ago

anoncow 14y ago

IMO I want to make things, cool things, innovative things, things that add value to peoples lives, things that will save lives, things that others will appreciate, and things that will make me happy and content. If I could achieve this without having to think about getting rich or becoming broke, I would. I don't want personal fame or appreciation either. I just want to be. I just want to do.

nooneelse 14y ago
Are you envisioning a monastic-like group dedicated to turning productive making toward eradicating human suffering and the like?
- carocaro 14y ago
  Well, I'm definitely up for being a part of said group
  - precisioncoder 14y ago
    Yeah me too, where's the sign up sheet?
- anoncow 14y ago
  >Are you envisioning a monastic-like group No, I did not think about it that way. I was thinking more on the lines of honest work and honest pay. Though if money was not a constraint many of us would be monks(as far as work is concerned).

marcamillion 14y ago

Fully agree. As Kanye said: "Having money aint everything...not having it is."