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Throwing out fallacy names doesn't address the problem with your statement. You mentioned a Social Contract requiring healthcare. I'm asking you what the limi

by crusso 14y ago

Throwing out fallacy names doesn't address the problem with your statement. You mentioned a Social Contract requiring healthcare. I'm asking you what the limits are of that supposed contract. If there aren't any in your view of morality, then be honest and say it. If there are, then throw us a bone and let us know where you think they lie.

VLM 14y ago
Aaand that would be a false dilemma fallacy, demanding that we as a nation should not change the system until a dude on the internet explains in full detail his theory of everything. Or the alternative that a dude on the internet should not speak an opinion on "X" until he accomplishes unrelated task "Y". The meta-point is it is a strong indication of consensus tipping point approaching for a culture when the opposition on a topic has nothing left but sophistry and fallacies to stand in the way of progress, morality, and civilization. There are certain analogies to creationism, AGW denial, opposition to gay marriage. I don't say that (solely, LOL) to tarnish the reputation of the opposition, but to focus on the similarity of technique in superficially unrelated topics, to draw attention to possibly unnoticed similarity of technique. Try to provide a logical argument for existing barbarism which I can't pick apart as a mere fallacy. I theorize there is no such argument, although proof of a negative is such a bummer. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong and switch my position given a good enough argument, although I predict no argument exists at all, much less a good argument.
- crusso 14y ago
  demanding that we as a nation should not change the system until a dude on the internet explains in full detail his theory of everything While you're throwing out Logic terms, that's known as a "Straw Man". There are certain analogies to creationism, AGW denial, opposition to gay marriage Here you continue to build upon your imagined opposition rather than just deal with the question I asked before. Try to provide a logical argument for existing barbarism which I can't pick apart as a mere fallacy Hah, you made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI All I've seen you do so far is to invent Straw Men without just answering a simple question regarding the moralistic statement you made. No one is curing cancer here or achieving world peace. We're just discussing topics of the day on HN. My hope is that people can do so in an honest straight-forward manner without warping facts or throwing up weak smoke screens like you've done here in this thread... but ah well.

by crusso 14y ago

VLM 14y ago

Aaand that would be a false dilemma fallacy, demanding that we as a nation should not change the system until a dude on the internet explains in full detail his theory of everything. Or the alternative that a dude on the internet should not speak an opinion on "X" until he accomplishes unrelated task "Y". The meta-point is it is a strong indication of consensus tipping point approaching for a culture when the opposition on a topic has nothing left but sophistry and fallacies to stand in the way of progress, morality, and civilization. There are certain analogies to creationism, AGW denial, opposition to gay marriage. I don't say that (solely, LOL) to tarnish the reputation of the opposition, but to focus on the similarity of technique in superficially unrelated topics, to draw attention to possibly unnoticed similarity of technique. Try to provide a logical argument for existing barbarism which I can't pick apart as a mere fallacy. I theorize there is no such argument, although proof of a negative is such a bummer. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong and switch my position given a good enough argument, although I predict no argument exists at all, much less a good argument.

crusso 14y ago
demanding that we as a nation should not change the system until a dude on the internet explains in full detail his theory of everything While you're throwing out Logic terms, that's known as a "Straw Man". There are certain analogies to creationism, AGW denial, opposition to gay marriage Here you continue to build upon your imagined opposition rather than just deal with the question I asked before. Try to provide a logical argument for existing barbarism which I can't pick apart as a mere fallacy Hah, you made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI All I've seen you do so far is to invent Straw Men without just answering a simple question regarding the moralistic statement you made. No one is curing cancer here or achieving world peace. We're just discussing topics of the day on HN. My hope is that people can do so in an honest straight-forward manner without warping facts or throwing up weak smoke screens like you've done here in this thread... but ah well.