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£42k after 3 years? Where are you working - London? That makes rather a large difference, as I'd be shocked if someone was getting that after 3 years for web de

£42k after 3 years? Where are you working - London? That makes rather a large difference, as I'd be shocked if someone was getting that after 3 years for web dev here in Manchester.

alinajaf 14y ago
Yes, London. I was at £45k after two years, and permie salaries are in general higher now than than they were three years ago.
- robgough 14y ago
  I would suggest that outside of London the salaries are massively different. Though £15k is still almost-criminally low regardless of where you are. I'd expect someone with 3 years web dev experience to be anywhere from mid-20's to mid-30's outside of London, and a cursory search for Suffolk that appears to be about right.
- candrei12 14y ago
  Hi, I saw some rates in Lodon for my experience(around £60k for >6 years for permanent positions). Are these rates before or after taxes ? I'm asking because it varies from country to country. Thanks Andrei
  - toyg 14y ago
    In the UK, salary figures are always gross (pun not intended).
    - polymatter 14y ago
      just to clarify for others, gross means before taxes. net means after taxes.
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buro9 14y ago
For the record, I hired on behalf of a corporate in London and would routinely hire graduates for a starting salary between £30k and £40k. We only hired people who had shipped something (anything!), and we paid more if they'd shipped something that looked more full-stack. But yes, in London... people start North of £30k if they're able to demonstrate that they've shipped something.
- yen223 14y ago
  Posts like this makes me wish I was born in a first-world country. I'd be lucky to be earning half of what this guy's making.
  - gavinflud 14y ago
    The higher cost of living factors into that majorly though. I know where I am (Dublin) it's very expensive to live in the city and I imagine London is the same. That's why employers in those areas have to pay quite a bit more.
  - creamyhorror 14y ago
    I'm with you, except I was born in a first-world country (next door to you). At least in Singapore the wages are better than in Malaysia, but the Singapore wage of USD35k pre-tax for a fresh/newish web developer is still pretty crappy pay compared to SF and even London. And rent is ridiculous, so basically every local lives with their parents. There are people who make it to SF from here but it's mostly to the big corps. The rest of us will hang around Asia earning relative peanuts while possibly hoping for a side project to take off. Given the poor wages here, it only makes sense to try to get a business going. Come work in Singapore anyway, you deserve better.
    - TallGuyShort 14y ago
      It's odd hearing this perspective. I've lived in a country most people consider 'third-world' and yet my recent move to San Francisco is the only time I've been worried about being able to pay rent at the end of the month.

£42k after 3 years? Where are you working - London? That makes rather a large difference, as I'd be shocked if someone was getting that after 3 years for web dev here in Manchester.

alinajaf 14y ago

Yes, London. I was at £45k after two years, and permie salaries are in general higher now than than they were three years ago.

robgough 14y ago
I would suggest that outside of London the salaries are massively different. Though £15k is still almost-criminally low regardless of where you are. I'd expect someone with 3 years web dev experience to be anywhere from mid-20's to mid-30's outside of London, and a cursory search for Suffolk that appears to be about right.
candrei12 14y ago
Hi, I saw some rates in Lodon for my experience(around £60k for >6 years for permanent positions). Are these rates before or after taxes ? I'm asking because it varies from country to country. Thanks Andrei
- toyg 14y ago
  In the UK, salary figures are always gross (pun not intended).
  - polymatter 14y ago
    just to clarify for others, gross means before taxes. net means after taxes.
- deleted 14y ago
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buro9 14y ago

For the record, I hired on behalf of a corporate in London and would routinely hire graduates for a starting salary between £30k and £40k. We only hired people who had shipped something (anything!), and we paid more if they'd shipped something that looked more full-stack. But yes, in London... people start North of £30k if they're able to demonstrate that they've shipped something.

yen223 14y ago
Posts like this makes me wish I was born in a first-world country. I'd be lucky to be earning half of what this guy's making.
- gavinflud 14y ago
  The higher cost of living factors into that majorly though. I know where I am (Dublin) it's very expensive to live in the city and I imagine London is the same. That's why employers in those areas have to pay quite a bit more.
- creamyhorror 14y ago
  I'm with you, except I was born in a first-world country (next door to you). At least in Singapore the wages are better than in Malaysia, but the Singapore wage of USD35k pre-tax for a fresh/newish web developer is still pretty crappy pay compared to SF and even London. And rent is ridiculous, so basically every local lives with their parents. There are people who make it to SF from here but it's mostly to the big corps. The rest of us will hang around Asia earning relative peanuts while possibly hoping for a side project to take off. Given the poor wages here, it only makes sense to try to get a business going. Come work in Singapore anyway, you deserve better.
  - TallGuyShort 14y ago
    It's odd hearing this perspective. I've lived in a country most people consider 'third-world' and yet my recent move to San Francisco is the only time I've been worried about being able to pay rent at the end of the month.