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As it happens I also used to run a developer recruitment startup (CoderStack) in London, so I'm intimately familiar with the market. While there are certainly

by ig1 14y ago

As it happens I also used to run a developer recruitment startup (CoderStack) in London, so I'm intimately familiar with the market. While there are certainly companies trying to hire iOS developers at 40k, there are also companies trying to hire iOS developers on 80k+ and iOS contractors on day rates of £500/day. What you're probably seeing is selection bias. That is the crappy jobs (i.e. low pay) stay on the market far longer than good jobs. Hence you end up thinking that crappy jobs represent a large proportion of the job market than they actually do simply because they stay around longer.

Swannie 14y ago
You are right, I'm almost certainly exhibiting selection bias. As we all know, the best jobs don't even go on the wider market, such as jobs sites, but are filled by word of mouth referrals, or conversations at events. But if I go and search: http://www.technojobs.co.uk/search.phtml?page=2&row_offset=10&keywords=senior%20developer&salary=0&jobtype=all&postedwithin=all http://www.technojobs.co.uk/search.phtml?page=2&row_offs... You will see most senior dev roles advertised with a range, that seems to average out about £45k. That's for the whole country, and London seems no different. Personal experience with London based recruiters was that despite jobs advertising £60k, the number that the recruiter had from the client was actually lower. When asked about the requirements for getting the top end of the pay scale, "Well, they really only want to pay low 40's", was something I heard time and time again, and caused me to not apply, time and time again. Crappy jobs? Maybe. EDIT: Also, I've seen an expensive corporate salary survey (shh, don't tell HR), and whilst London mid-senior people have seen a good bump to their salary in the last 2-3 years, the averages there were approx: junior ~£28k, mid-level ~£36k, senior ~£47k, architect ~£60k, dev lead ~£72k).

by ig1 14y ago

Swannie 14y ago

You are right, I'm almost certainly exhibiting selection bias. As we all know, the best jobs don't even go on the wider market, such as jobs sites, but are filled by word of mouth referrals, or conversations at events. But if I go and search: http://www.technojobs.co.uk/search.phtml?page=2&row_offset=10&keywords=senior%20developer&salary=0&jobtype=all&postedwithin=all http://www.technojobs.co.uk/search.phtml?page=2&row_offs... You will see most senior dev roles advertised with a range, that seems to average out about £45k. That's for the whole country, and London seems no different. Personal experience with London based recruiters was that despite jobs advertising £60k, the number that the recruiter had from the client was actually lower. When asked about the requirements for getting the top end of the pay scale, "Well, they really only want to pay low 40's", was something I heard time and time again, and caused me to not apply, time and time again. Crappy jobs? Maybe. EDIT: Also, I've seen an expensive corporate salary survey (shh, don't tell HR), and whilst London mid-senior people have seen a good bump to their salary in the last 2-3 years, the averages there were approx: junior ~£28k, mid-level ~£36k, senior ~£47k, architect ~£60k, dev lead ~£72k).