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You're getting screwed at £15k, I've never been paid that little for developing web. For reference, my salary history over my 6+ year career is as follows: £2
by alinajaf 14y ago
You're getting screwed at £15k, I've never been paid that little for developing web.
For reference, my salary history over my 6+ year career is as follows:
£20k->£26k->£45k->£450-£600/day
Note that I am a totally average developer, nowhere near as smart or knowledgable as a lot of the guys here on HN. I have a CS degree, barely (I got a 3rd), so that helped at the beginning, but most of my luck has been thanks to an extremely welcoming market.
If you have three years experience, you should be clearing £42k, if not £45k. I don't know much about speech impediments and how easy/hard they are to fix, but in this market, trust me, you can achieve £42k+ for fizzbuzz and a pulse.
EDIT: Modified figures in last paragraph on account of OP having three years of experience.
- robgough 14y ago£42k after 3 years? Where are you working - London? That makes rather a large difference, as I'd be shocked if someone was getting that after 3 years for web dev here in Manchester.
- alinajaf 14y agoYes, London. I was at £45k after two years, and permie salaries are in general higher now than than they were three years ago.
- robgough 14y agoI would suggest that outside of London the salaries are massively different. Though £15k is still almost-criminally low regardless of where you are. I'd expect someone with 3 years web dev experience to be anywhere from mid-20's to mid-30's outside of London, and a cursory search for Suffolk that appears to be about right.
- candrei12 14y agoHi, I saw some rates in Lodon for my experience(around £60k for >6 years for permanent positions). Are these rates before or after taxes ? I'm asking because it varies from country to country. Thanks Andrei
- toyg 14y agoIn the UK, salary figures are always gross (pun not intended).
- polymatter 14y agojust to clarify for others, gross means before taxes. net means after taxes.
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- buro9 14y agoFor the record, I hired on behalf of a corporate in London and would routinely hire graduates for a starting salary between £30k and £40k. We only hired people who had shipped something (anything!), and we paid more if they'd shipped something that looked more full-stack. But yes, in London... people start North of £30k if they're able to demonstrate that they've shipped something.
- yen223 14y agoPosts like this makes me wish I was born in a first-world country. I'd be lucky to be earning half of what this guy's making.
- gavinflud 14y agoThe higher cost of living factors into that majorly though. I know where I am (Dublin) it's very expensive to live in the city and I imagine London is the same. That's why employers in those areas have to pay quite a bit more.
- creamyhorror 14y agoI'm with you, except I was born in a first-world country (next door to you). At least in Singapore the wages are better than in Malaysia, but the Singapore wage of USD35k pre-tax for a fresh/newish web developer is still pretty crappy pay compared to SF and even London. And rent is ridiculous, so basically every local lives with their parents. There are people who make it to SF from here but it's mostly to the big corps. The rest of us will hang around Asia earning relative peanuts while possibly hoping for a side project to take off. Given the poor wages here, it only makes sense to try to get a business going. Come work in Singapore anyway, you deserve better.
- TallGuyShort 14y agoIt's odd hearing this perspective. I've lived in a country most people consider 'third-world' and yet my recent move to San Francisco is the only time I've been worried about being able to pay rent at the end of the month.
- hackerboos 14y agoI started on £25k in Brighton and I'm almost 9 months into the job. Got a 2.1 in CompSci and picked up the job through a recruiter who found my newly made LaTeX CV on Monster. I can't believe I was so apprehensive about the job market when I was graduating. I'd read that CompSci grads have poor job prospects [1] which scared the shit out of me. But I found the opposite to be true. I was beating recruiters off with a shitty stick. [1] - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10477551 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10477551
- andyhmltn 14y agoSlightly off topic, (Sorry OP) but as an 18 y/o with quite a bit of freelance/past experience, does £20k starting sound good to you?
- AlexMuir 14y agoSounds between acceptable (Central London) and good to me. With an 18yo there's the risk that you decide to ship out to uni, travel the world, or are bonkers but no-one's noticed yet.
- alinajaf 14y agoIf you have a portfolio site and testimonials from past clients, £20k isn't that great. I worked with a guy at a small(ish, <100 employees) company who started at £34k with a similar background to that.
- ryanSrich 14y agoWait I'm confused here. I did the conversion and those wages seem extremely low. I'm starting at double that here in the US and I'm not even graduated yet. How do you even live off of 60k in a city?