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>This is censorship! I have the right to say whatever I want! You do -- in your space. If you'd like to hang out in our spaces (as clarified above), we have so
by parfe 14y ago
>This is censorship! I have the right to say whatever I want!
You do -- in your space. If you'd like to hang out in our spaces (as clarified above), we have some simple guidelines to follow. If you want to, for example, form a group where Django is discussed using language inappropriate for general channels then nobody's stopping you. We respect your right to establish whatever codes of conduct you want in the spaces that belong to you. Please honor this Code of Conduct in our spaces.
Excellently written answer to deal with the torrent of complaints spewed by man-children at the requirement they be considerate of others. "My free speeches!" and "How dare you censor me?" and "But what about my get-back-in-the-kitchen and make-me-a-sandwich jokes?! You've killed comedy!"
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- stefantalpalaru 14y agoI regretfully inform you that due to multiple violations of the COC section "be careful in the words that you choose" your accounts on IRC, mailing lists, issue tracker and any other space related to Django have been terminated. Please don't try to create new accounts. Thank you for understanding and have a nice day!
- tiredofcareer 14y agoAlthough I agree wholeheartedly with the code of conduct, it's disrespectful to those who disagree to lump them together as you have done. There will always be opposing viewpoints, even on things that we'd consider nearly cut-and-dry like not talking about your penis at a conference. Respect them and win with argument and logic, not with propaganda and bad posters mocking them as a disingenuous group. (The censorship complaint, though flawed, is a little more complex than you imply.)
- jacobian 14y agoI'm sorry you feel that way; that wasn't our intent. If you've got ideas about how we might improve it, please let us know: https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/#feedback https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/#feedback.
- tiredofcareer 14y agoNo, no, Jacob, not you -- you guys do great work! Relax! I was replying to parfe's characterization of those who do disagree.
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- jerrya 14y agoI know little about Django. Have you really had a problem with the behavior of your participants that requires this formal code of conduct as a solution? Your code of conduct on its face seems innocuous, but there seems to be an elephant that you are trying not to discuss. As illustrated by great-grandparent, there seem to be many eager to take your code of conduct and wielding it like a shield use it to bludgeon others with behavior contrary to your intentions. Excellently written answer to deal with the torrent of complaints spewed by man-children at the requirement they be considerate of others. "My free speeches!" and "How dare you censor me?" and "But what about my get-back-in-the-kitchen and make-me-a-sandwich jokes?! You've killed comedy!" If I had a suggestion, it would be to take from the Wikipedia and assume good faith which is a principle that your Speak Up! source also dances around, in that it seems a person can "assume bad faith" and still comply with each principle in your code of conduct. Don't be a dick. Do unto others.... Assume good faith. Each of these seem to concisely cover the issues you have without leading to their abuse, or tyranny of the (majority, minority).
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- tiredofcareer 14y agoIt is not my job to sell the other side. It is my job to be respectful of the fact that the other side exists, and to be reasonable to it, not hostile and mocking. Imagine if you had a minor quibble with the Code of Conduct. You're now going to reconsider even bringing it up here, because someone's already mocked your potential argument disingenuously, and undermined any conversation that might be had. It lowers the tone of discourse, and I see it too often. Rings of "if you disagree with me, you're a Communist".
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- tiredofcareer 14y agoI think it's necessary to respect all points of view and defeat them with traditional means. By all means, consider it absurd. Don't put mocking words in their mouths as parfe has done, nor categorize them unfairly; let them speak for themselves, and defeat the argument when it's presented. That's how discourse works. I am rapidly tiring of efforts to the contrary, especially among people here and in the industry.
- parfe 14y agoAs you clearly joined HN during the Pycon incident to minimize the existence of sexism in tech, you'll have to excuse me if I ignore your advice.
- tiredofcareer 14y agoRemember when I said I agree with the code of conduct? Thanks for lowering the bar of discourse even further by attacking the messenger. And it's hilarious that you think I'm minimizing sexism in tech. Hilarious.
- hacker789 14y agoStop being a bully. Okay?
- coherentpony 14y agoPyCon incident? You mean the incident where they gave away RaspberryPis to everyone, including females? Or the one where they raised tens of thousands of dollars for PyLadies? Or maybe something a little more indirect, like perhaps all the connections female coders made with other coders of all kinds of race, gender, or sexual orientation? As you clearly joined this discussion to smite other users, you'll have to excuse me if I think you are a cave dwelling troll.
- tbatterii 14y ago"Excellently written answer to deal with the torrent of complaints spewed by man-children at the requirement they be considerate of others." This does a lot to help the cause and sets a fine example though doesn't it? The progress being made is making me dizzy.
- s_baby 14y ago>Excellently written answer to deal with the torrent of complaints spewed by man-children at the requirement they be considerate of others. "My free speeches!" and "How dare you censor me?" You do realize those are sexist generalizations?