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The point isn't that we should take up arms and champion our causes with bullets over every perceived slight. The point is that when all those other recourses
by bmelton 14y ago
The point isn't that we should take up arms and champion our causes with bullets over every perceived slight. The point is that when all those other recourses fail us, the right to bear arms is the last defense against tyranny. As for joining a militia, I need not bother... I am the militia. All able-bodied men in the United States are (and arguably women too), as defined by US Code.
Still though, there have been cases where guns were brandished to prevent tyranny. The Battle of Athens, in 1946 (admittedly not this decade, but thank god for that too) was such a case where state officials were committing voter fraud against the populace, so that they could continue committing civil rights violations against them -- apparently their pay was tied to numbers of arrests, citations, etc., so they were literally just arresting and citing people without cause. They would pull over tour buses passing through the area and cite bus riders for drunkenness, however ridiculous.
The result was an armed march on the courthouse where the ballots were being cast, a brief 'war' where custody of the ballots was fought for, and recovered, a fair election was had, and political change was enacted.
Saying it isn't relevant any more is, I suspect, short sighted. Too many acts of tyranny have been committed after disarming the population for me to blindly concede that the right is no longer 'relevant'. While I agree that there are portions of the Constitution that may not be relevant in the United States right now, that doesn't discount the possibility that they would ever be necessary again. We have a hard enough time defending our rights for the first, fourth and other amendments that are arguably more relevant than ever, while the state wishes to further strip us of those rights.
It's easy to conclude that some rights are irrelevant because it is unlikely that any foreign attackers would dare take on the US on American soil. But that's only true for now. What if the dollar collapses? What if we default on debt? What if our military forces are pared back to a hundredth of what they are now? What if these things happen in the next 50 to 100 years? Countries rise and fall over time, and historically, rights that are once restricted are never restored.
- vacri 14y agoThe concept that 'everyone is in the militia' is not the intent of the second amendment. 'everyone is in the militia' is legislation from 1903, a hundred years after the second amendment was framed. The Battle of Athens could easily have played out without firearms. Angry mobs marching on courthouses have been around forever. Firearms just makes the process shorter if you start using them. and historically, rights that are once restricted are never restored. Like the end of Prohibition? Smoking marijuana? Women's vote? Equal rights for minorities? Gay marriage? (have to be brief... running late for work as usual...)
- bmelton 14y ago"The concept that 'everyone is in the militia' is not the intent of the second amendment." I didn't actually suggest that it was. My statement is that the second amendment is an individual right, not confined to the members of a militia, but that even if it were, you needn't be currently involved in a militia to be eligible. "The Battle of Athens could easily have played out without firearms. Angry mobs marching on courthouses have been around forever. Firearms just makes the process shorter if you start using them." Maybe. They could have petitioned the state legislature and, assuming they weren't complicit, would have gotten action in as little as a couple of months, during which time the ballots would have been destroyed and the damage done, and the illegal elections may or may not have been ultimately overturned. "Like the end of Prohibition? Smoking marijuana? Women's vote? Equal rights for minorities? Gay marriage?" Very good points actually, and it is generally why I believe so strongly in our political system, even when it sometimes fails us. I should amend my statement to "seldom" restored, for greater accuracy.