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> A 10 Line Wi-Fi SSID Sniffer > from scapy.all import * Yeah.

by adlpz 14y ago

lloeki 14y ago
Missing the point. That line doesn't do anything by itself. Obviously we're not going to have Wireshark innards built with 10 lines of python (or whatever other language). However, the fact that such an easy to use, high level library available for packet inspection allowing one to build a quick AP scanner is completely relevant.
- infoseckid 14y ago
  Finally, one person on HN who gets it :) Pleased to meet you another sane person on HN! :)
- adlpz 14y ago
  My point is that the title is not really useful. Something along the lines of 'Using the Scapy library for wireless packet inspection' would be more reasonable. All this 'whatever with N lines' articles when you are using a 200MB tool stack really makes no sense. This is not a 1k demo where character count matters at all.
  - dwb 14y ago
    It makes total sense when you want to actually sit down and write something like this. The point is that this is an easy, quick-to-hack-together thing, not a big project.
  - xradionut 14y ago
    Good grief! Do you want this team to build the computer from discrete components, then custom code their OS using dip switches too?
    - adlpz 14y ago
      Of course not, that's an absurd exaggeration.
    - mctx 14y ago
      As long as they used less than 10 dip switches
  - Shish2k 14y ago
    > My point is that the title is not really useful. For a developer, knowing how many lines are needed to get something done with a given API can be a good indicator of how generally nice it is to work with -- compare Python's URLLib vs the Requests library, for example.
    - toki5 14y ago
      This is why his grievance wasn't with the text but the title.
  - deleted 14y ago
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  - cthackers 14y ago
    adplz, I can do wifi ssid sniffing using 0 lines of code and only using my mouse. Oh yeah, and Wireshark. But that is irrelevant according to lloeki.
switch007 14y ago
> A 10 Line Wi-Fi SSID Sniffer > #!/usr/bin/env python Yeah. I bet it's even being run on an OS that they didn't write themselves.
- bjornsing 14y ago
  Yeah, this totally sucks. Show me the assembly and tell me that's 10 lines. 10 x86 instructions, that's my total attention span. :)
- adlpz 14y ago
  There is a point where it is reasonable, there is a point where it is not. Look, a complete X graphical environment with one bash line! $ startx
- gngeal 14y ago
  Unless you smelt your own silicon for the transistors and ICs, it's cheating!
- sergiotapia 14y ago
  I kind of agree with @adlpz on this. It's like saying, "Serve a website with 1 line of code!" and then running `sudo service apache start`. Technically correct, but highly misleading. Either way, I hope you realize I'm not being snarky here - just wanted to share my point of view on this. OP's article was great, that's a ridiculously powerful library.
  - mseebach 14y ago
    Meh. Strictly speaking you are correct, but deconstructing it, it means that we can never say anything is easy (N lines of codes for small N's being synonymous with 'easy'). Yes, it's actually bloody easy to serve a website, and that's a good thing, and if someone didn't know it was possible, it's been helpful to write that 'tutorial'. All members of the "Do X in N lines or M minutes" meme are examples of stringing together one or more powerful libraries.
  - darkarmani 14y ago

> A 10 Line Wi-Fi SSID Sniffer > from scapy.all import * Yeah.

by adlpz 14y ago

> A 10 Line Wi-Fi SSID Sniffer > from scapy.all import * Yeah.

Missing the point. That line doesn't do anything by itself. Obviously we're not going to have Wireshark innards built with 10 lines of python (or whatever other language). However, the fact that such an easy to use, high level library available for packet inspection allowing one to build a quick AP scanner is completely relevant.

infoseckid 14y ago
Finally, one person on HN who gets it :) Pleased to meet you another sane person on HN! :)
adlpz 14y ago
My point is that the title is not really useful. Something along the lines of 'Using the Scapy library for wireless packet inspection' would be more reasonable. All this 'whatever with N lines' articles when you are using a 200MB tool stack really makes no sense. This is not a 1k demo where character count matters at all.
- dwb 14y ago
  It makes total sense when you want to actually sit down and write something like this. The point is that this is an easy, quick-to-hack-together thing, not a big project.
- xradionut 14y ago
  Good grief! Do you want this team to build the computer from discrete components, then custom code their OS using dip switches too?
  - adlpz 14y ago
    Of course not, that's an absurd exaggeration.
  - mctx 14y ago
    As long as they used less than 10 dip switches
- Shish2k 14y ago
  > My point is that the title is not really useful. For a developer, knowing how many lines are needed to get something done with a given API can be a good indicator of how generally nice it is to work with -- compare Python's URLLib vs the Requests library, for example.
  - toki5 14y ago
    This is why his grievance wasn't with the text but the title.
- deleted 14y ago
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- cthackers 14y ago
  adplz, I can do wifi ssid sniffing using 0 lines of code and only using my mouse. Oh yeah, and Wireshark. But that is irrelevant according to lloeki.

switch007 14y ago

> A 10 Line Wi-Fi SSID Sniffer > #!/usr/bin/env python Yeah. I bet it's even being run on an OS that they didn't write themselves.

bjornsing 14y ago
Yeah, this totally sucks. Show me the assembly and tell me that's 10 lines. 10 x86 instructions, that's my total attention span. :)
adlpz 14y ago
There is a point where it is reasonable, there is a point where it is not. Look, a complete X graphical environment with one bash line! $ startx
gngeal 14y ago
Unless you smelt your own silicon for the transistors and ICs, it's cheating!
sergiotapia 14y ago
I kind of agree with @adlpz on this. It's like saying, "Serve a website with 1 line of code!" and then running `sudo service apache start`. Technically correct, but highly misleading. Either way, I hope you realize I'm not being snarky here - just wanted to share my point of view on this. OP's article was great, that's a ridiculously powerful library.
- mseebach 14y ago
  Meh. Strictly speaking you are correct, but deconstructing it, it means that we can never say anything is easy (N lines of codes for small N's being synonymous with 'easy'). Yes, it's actually bloody easy to serve a website, and that's a good thing, and if someone didn't know it was possible, it's been helpful to write that 'tutorial'. All members of the "Do X in N lines or M minutes" meme are examples of stringing together one or more powerful libraries.
- darkarmani 14y ago