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Clearly not that well-known, then. I've never heard of it either. The Fog Creek Kiln project doesn't have its own Wikipedia page (which I consider a rough thres
by w1ntermute 14y ago
Clearly not that well-known, then. I've never heard of it either. The Fog Creek Kiln project doesn't have its own Wikipedia page (which I consider a rough threshold for notability).
- pilgrim689 14y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_creek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_creek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Spolsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Spolsky
- w1ntermute 14y agoI was referring to the Kiln project by Fog Creek. Obviously, Fog Creek has its own Wiki page.
- neglected_dba 14y agoYour original post said "Fog Creek doesn't have it's own Wikipedia page". Then you edited it to say Kiln project after you saw these links. How about some integrity?
- w1ntermute 14y ago> Your original post said "Fog Creek doesn't have it's own Wikipedia page". Then you edited it to say Kiln project after you saw these links. Wrong, my post originally said "The Fog Creek project" (as opposed to the OP's project). The only word I added was "Kiln", to make it clearer. > How about some integrity? How about stopping to think before making accusations about other people's integrity, rather than shooting from the hip? I see you're new to HN. Why don't you learn some etiquette by reading the HN guidelines, it'll help you to avoid the banhammer: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- objclxt 14y agoI suspect most software developers worth their salt have heard of Joel Spolsky, and by extension Fog Creek. Aside from them actually having their own pages on Wikipedia (which someone else has linked to), Kiln is a trademark of Fog Creek, so not an ideal choice of name for an OSS project.
- w1ntermute 14y ago> I suspect most software developers worth their salt have heard of Joel Spolsky, and by extension Fog Creek. Having heard of Joel or Fog Creek is one thing. Having heard of their Kiln project is another.
- watershawl 14y agoI've heard of both Joel and Fog Creek, but not Kiln. So, yes.
- ams6110 14y agoAgreed, I haven't really paid attention to what he or Fog Creek has been doing since this site killed off the "Joel on Software" site.
- NickLarsen 14y agoI had honestly never heard of Joel until I did my research when applying at Stack Overflow. Didn't affect the outcome.
- gecko 14y agoWe've been on HN a half dozen times, been featured in some trade magazines, have been a gold Mercurial sponsor, and have built-in support in competitor's products (e.g. SourceTree). We're also the second link if you google for "Kiln". I think that qualifies as relatively notable. We also have a trademark on the name Kiln in the context of developer tools. Edit: That last line sounds like a threat, which it absolutely isn't. Just, due to how these things work, picking another name probably makes sense.
- alexgartrell 14y agoMy first reaction when I saw this submission was "Holy shit, who leaked kiln?"
- pnathan 14y agoYeah, that was my reaction as well. Kiln == Fog Creek's hg server in my head.
- manojlds 14y agoIt is now a git and hg server all at the same time.
- mpyne 14y agoMine was similar, if a little less cynical: "Holy shit, Fog Creek is open-sourcing Kiln? On April Fool's Day?"
- spicyj 14y agoWould they really host it on GitHub? :)
- mpyne 14y agoOoh, good point. Though one issue I've noticed popping up of late is that people are starting to associate "open source" with "GitHub" instead of with checking whether the source is open or not. So who knows, maybe a GitHub mirror of their own Kiln-hosted source for April Fool's?