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The amazing thing is that excellent students from poor schools really should apply to the elite private universities, because the private schools will pretty mu
by davidroberts 14y ago
The amazing thing is that excellent students from poor schools really should apply to the elite private universities, because the private schools will pretty much pay for their education through their huge endowments. It's a much better path than going through state universities, where even the poorest have a huge loan debt by the time they graduate.
The OP is right about the recruiting efforts of the private universities. It's not just the rural schools they skip. My son went to a high school near San Diego that straddles the border between an middle class area built in the 50s and a low income area. The student body is about 40% suburban white, 25% Hispanic, 10% recently moved from Iraq (Chaldean), and the rest African American, Native American and other minorities. It has a 7 out of 10 California high school rating, so it's not that bad.
There were no recruiters from "elite" private schools. The best students typically go to University of California, either USCD, UCLA, or Berkeley. The next level goes to the other UCs, especially Irvine or Riverside. Many go to San Diego State University, and the rest who continue their education go to community college.
My son loves economics, and got it early in his head that he really wanted to go to University of Chicago. We were pretty poor at the time, as I was changing my career and working my way up in from the total bottom in a new field doing mainly freelance work.
My son worked really hard to get to UChicago. He attended a recruiting event in a downtown hotel he found out about on the internet. I borrowed money and we flew to Chicago for an interview, staying in a sketchy hotel on the South Side. He applied for early admission and got accepted last year, the first student ever from his high school. They offered a financial package that pays almost everything.
His friends who are still at the school said that this year, for the first time, a recruiter from UChicago showed up. It is like my son put the school on their radar.
One thing we noticed as part of the process is that taking the PSAT is really important. It only costs about $20 and it's free in some schools. There might be something similar for the ACT.
My son did well on the PSAT and he got multiple letters from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and other Ivies trying to lure him in. Also from elite private four-year colleges. So there is an outreach by those schools in this way. Often those letters would mention the possibility of almost full support for students that needed it.
I think the Ivies are trying to reach out to poorer students. It's just that it's hard for them to think out of the box created by their own privileged backgrounds and understand how to reach that demographic. But our experience is that they are sincerely trying, and if a student makes the effort, he can definitely get in.
I think one of the biggest barriers is that counselors in schools like my son's or the OP's don't even consider these schools for qualified students (are they uninformed? lazy? incompetent? complacent?). If they pushed harder, both to the Ivies and in guiding the students, it would help a lot.
- RegEx 14y agoI was part of a poor family growing up. I received many letters and packages from upper tier schools after my PSAT. I got top 5% in the nation for math, so that may be why. I didn't take them seriously, though. Now I'm at University of Texas (at Tyler), where the idea of computer science education is a series of publisher-distributed PowerPoint slides. I want to move to a different school with passionate teachers and students, but now I have financial obligations(unemployed mom can't find work so I'm taking over her bills while she goes to school). I'm currently looking for a python remote job or job near Dallas. Until I can find something, I have to stay at this job so I can support my mom, thus UT Tyler is my only option. I wish I would have done more research on scholarship opportunities back in high school. Maybe I'd be somewhere great right now. Oh well.
- aptimpropriety 14y agoIt's never too late to transfer - and being a transfer doesn't make you ineligible for financial aid! I went to a major public university my freshman year and transferred to an Ivy League school once I decided I wasn't satisfied with my experience at the public university. It ended up actually being significantly cheaper for me to go to the Ivy League, and opened up a world of opportunity and support I would have never found at my original school. Since then, my sister has also attended the same Ivy League (you see a lot of families/siblings at such schools) almost free of charge. I could also go on about how the resources and individual support from a private school (effective tuition of 50-60k) far exceed that of a public school - even a top UC. Feel free to email me if you'd like to chat.
- Amadou 14y ago> and being a transfer doesn't make you ineligible for financial aid! That isn't necessarily the case. A close friend of mine attended a school (Bradley University, admittedly not ivy league) that gave a full ride to national merit scholars and finalists, but only if they had never enrolled anywhere else. She was a finalist, but she attended a state school for her freshman year. Bradley gave her nothing, but she still enrolled because money wasn't her biggest concern. She got her degree, but has said on numerous occasions that she'll never give a dime to any of their alumni fund-raisers since she paid the full load up front.