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IBM And Sun: There Will Be Blood

21 points by vaksel 18y ago

gtufano 18y ago
Every acquisition between big Corporations generates layoffs in redundant sectors. Really nothing new.
- ardit33 18y ago
  yeah, but 10,000 people, is a lot. Probably one of the biggest tech layoffs at one time. And a lot of them will be in SV, and unfortunately it might affect some of my friends.
  - cglee 18y ago
    You have to look at it by percentages. IBM + Sun employ how many people?
patrickg-zill 18y ago
Your StorageTek business ... I DRINK IT UP! (sorry, couldn't resist.)
jballanc 18y ago
Honestly, I think that IBM's interest is limited to Java, and not much else. So much of their own stuff depends on Java, that it would only make sense to own the "controlling share" of Java's directors/direction. This might also explain some of the recent news of a semi-pull-back by Sun on the whole "Java is open source" piece. If IBM acquires Sun, I see them incorporating a lot of the Java pieces, killing off the hardware pieces, potentially selling the OS pieces to Oracle, and possibly selling the ZFS IP to Apple...but that's just my random guess...
- systems 18y ago
  And what's stopping them from doing this now! Even if Java wasn't Free and being OpenSourced, IBM is rich enough, to pay SUN for they use of JAVA IBM is a resourceful entity, it doesn't need things to be free to invest in it, Myself personally I can only invest in FOSS because because I cannot afford to invest in prorietary techologies this why I am investing in the shinto shrine that is Perl and Perl technologies, I am also investing in a less Open technology Groovy and Grails, less Open for its weak reliance on SUN and SpringSource, IBM on the other hand can buy and rent what they need to increase their market share, they can in theory invest in Microsoft Technologies, which in someways they do by providing Windows Clients for many of their tools, Myself of course I only dare to think about creating portable applications, because I cannot afford to rely on MSFT ,so at the end of the day it about investments Honestly I think IBM will be buying SUN's market share, not products. IBM wasn't growth, wants to increase its revenue in 2009 by whatever percent SUN client can do this for IBM of course this will cost IBM them 9 Billion they are paying of course in addition to several oher costs associate with running SUN
kristianp 18y ago
I'm interested in what will happen to the SPARC line. I work at a medium-sized company, and we have 15 or so Sun servers. This guy-http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1590 http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1590 says that power-based servers cost 10 times what a Sparc costs, for similar capacity. There is already a strong windows server presence in our company, so I imagine our upgrade path will be to windows server. I don't want that to happen, mainly because I would prefer using open source on unix/linux.
- systems 18y ago
  You should use virtualization, we use vmware, first, it will render the hardware vendor irrelevant, we run it on HP server, second you can run windows, linux, or whatever you want on it, thirds you will very likely get promoted for suggesting it, in case you dont already use it!

21 points by vaksel 18y ago

gtufano 18y ago

Every acquisition between big Corporations generates layoffs in redundant sectors. Really nothing new.

ardit33 18y ago
yeah, but 10,000 people, is a lot. Probably one of the biggest tech layoffs at one time. And a lot of them will be in SV, and unfortunately it might affect some of my friends.
- cglee 18y ago
  You have to look at it by percentages. IBM + Sun employ how many people?

patrickg-zill 18y ago

Your StorageTek business ... I DRINK IT UP! (sorry, couldn't resist.)

jballanc 18y ago

Honestly, I think that IBM's interest is limited to Java, and not much else. So much of their own stuff depends on Java, that it would only make sense to own the "controlling share" of Java's directors/direction. This might also explain some of the recent news of a semi-pull-back by Sun on the whole "Java is open source" piece. If IBM acquires Sun, I see them incorporating a lot of the Java pieces, killing off the hardware pieces, potentially selling the OS pieces to Oracle, and possibly selling the ZFS IP to Apple...but that's just my random guess...

systems 18y ago
And what's stopping them from doing this now! Even if Java wasn't Free and being OpenSourced, IBM is rich enough, to pay SUN for they use of JAVA IBM is a resourceful entity, it doesn't need things to be free to invest in it, Myself personally I can only invest in FOSS because because I cannot afford to invest in prorietary techologies this why I am investing in the shinto shrine that is Perl and Perl technologies, I am also investing in a less Open technology Groovy and Grails, less Open for its weak reliance on SUN and SpringSource, IBM on the other hand can buy and rent what they need to increase their market share, they can in theory invest in Microsoft Technologies, which in someways they do by providing Windows Clients for many of their tools, Myself of course I only dare to think about creating portable applications, because I cannot afford to rely on MSFT ,so at the end of the day it about investments Honestly I think IBM will be buying SUN's market share, not products. IBM wasn't growth, wants to increase its revenue in 2009 by whatever percent SUN client can do this for IBM of course this will cost IBM them 9 Billion they are paying of course in addition to several oher costs associate with running SUN

kristianp 18y ago

I'm interested in what will happen to the SPARC line. I work at a medium-sized company, and we have 15 or so Sun servers. This guy-http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1590 http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1590 says that power-based servers cost 10 times what a Sparc costs, for similar capacity. There is already a strong windows server presence in our company, so I imagine our upgrade path will be to windows server. I don't want that to happen, mainly because I would prefer using open source on unix/linux.

systems 18y ago
You should use virtualization, we use vmware, first, it will render the hardware vendor irrelevant, we run it on HP server, second you can run windows, linux, or whatever you want on it, thirds you will very likely get promoted for suggesting it, in case you dont already use it!