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I may have missed it, but why do you think this has to do with the Xmen movie?

by Mazy 18y ago

rms 18y ago
It was from the Reddit headline. It's not specified in the article, but it is the only explanation that makes sense here. I would be incredibly surprised if there was something else going on.
- tvon 18y ago
  Are you being sarcastic? edit: I mean, there have to literally be hundreds of other possible explanations.
  - rms 18y ago
    No, I was being completely serious. Thanks for asking.
    - menloparkbum 18y ago
      Is there something that links this story with the X-Men leak, other than reddit comments?
      - rms 18y ago
        It's basically a random guy on the internet claiming the datacenter raid and the movie are connected. http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-I.. http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-I.... That makes it his word against the FBI, who have no comment. There aren't that many who can call in an FBI raid seizing millions of dollars worth of computer equipment causing millions of dollars worth of collateral damage to the economy. But Rupert Murdoch can. Two days ago, a pre-leak DVD copy of http://www.google.com/search?q=x+men+origins+workprint+torre.. http://www.google.com/search?q=x+men+origins+workprint+torre.... arrived on Rupert Murdoch's desk. Rumor from a random guy on the internet alleges the Rupert Murdoch incident. When Rupert Murdoch is angry, the FBI suits up and smashes your shit. Maybe RM really leaked it and wants to make himself look less suspicious. http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/89vm4/if_you_run.. http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/89vm4/if_you_run.... Reddit also eventually concludes that the connections here are all rumor and possibly an April Fool's joke mixed in somewhere.
        thedark 18y ago
        The Wolverine leak isn't just according to a random person on the internet- its been leaked and is out there for sure. I'm positive you know this though as your description looks basically like a torrent file header, so I'm not sure why you would attribute this to just some person on the internet. I agree with you as well- that these events are likely connected, but as far as I understand it is just speculation at this point.
        rms 18y ago
        I meant that a random guy claimed that a copy was sent to Rupert Murdoch two days before the online leak. Also that a random guy claimed it was connected to the data center raid. Different random guys, of course. I edited my post above to make it a little more clear, I think. Basically nothing is known about what happened except that the FBI offered to speed up their analysis of the machines if the corporations contact the FBI.
  - Andys 18y ago
    I can't think of a single one that would justify taking down an entire datacenter like that. It'd be like evacuating a city block because of a single resident's alleged wrongdoings.
    - Eliezer 18y ago
      Runaway AI (yes, this is a joke)
      - rms 18y ago
        The joke being that it wouldn't stop the runaway AI?
azanar 18y ago
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-Investigation-Causing-Collateral-Damage-101709 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-Investi... This was linked off of the Dallas Observer blog here: http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/04/so_what_led_fbi_agents_to_raid.php http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/04/so_what_l... How legit this is, or how credible Dallas Observer is, I have no idea.
- stoic 18y ago
  The Dallas Observer is part of Village Voice Media (http://www.villagevoicemedia.com http://www.villagevoicemedia.com), which includes similar local weekly newspapers in other cities. They aren't exactly incompetent rabble-rousers, but they tend to do more investigative journalism and "what-if" scenarios than your average major daily newspaper. I doubt they have any real direct experience with this particular corner of the IT industry, though, because it's incredibly unlikely that pirated movies prompted the takedown. I've worked at various hosting companies around Dallas for 5 years, and have worked or observed quite a few abuse cases involving the federal government. This sort of heavy-handed action (killing an entire company's operations for a single client) has NEVER happened in my experience, and definitely not for something as innocuous as copyright infringement. That's what the DMCA is for. The feds don't get involved unless it's some seriously nasty stuff going on, like child porn, suspected terrorist communication, fraud, malware distribution, etc. In the event that the government gets involved, they will have a field agent demand access to individual systems under a subpoena, but only to the systems actually involved (maybe some switches/routers as well). Unless Core IP has been proven to be complicit in some kind of ultra-illegal activity, e.g. the CTO is the kingpin of some hardcore piracy network, I have a hard time believing that this has anything to do with a leaked movie. I'd think that the Secret Service (US Treasury) would be involved in such a case, rather than the FBI. This really is completely ridiculous, though. Makes you want to go read the common carrier laws cover-to-cover :) edit: I guess this piracy thing has been confirmed as a rumor for some time... but hopefully this sheds some light about how the process works :)

I may have missed it, but why do you think this has to do with the Xmen movie?

by Mazy 18y ago

I may have missed it, but why do you think this has to do with the Xmen movie?

rms 18y ago

It was from the Reddit headline. It's not specified in the article, but it is the only explanation that makes sense here. I would be incredibly surprised if there was something else going on.

tvon 18y ago
Are you being sarcastic? edit: I mean, there have to literally be hundreds of other possible explanations.
- rms 18y ago
  No, I was being completely serious. Thanks for asking.
  - menloparkbum 18y ago
    Is there something that links this story with the X-Men leak, other than reddit comments?
    - rms 18y ago
      It's basically a random guy on the internet claiming the datacenter raid and the movie are connected. http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-I.. http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-I.... That makes it his word against the FBI, who have no comment. There aren't that many who can call in an FBI raid seizing millions of dollars worth of computer equipment causing millions of dollars worth of collateral damage to the economy. But Rupert Murdoch can. Two days ago, a pre-leak DVD copy of http://www.google.com/search?q=x+men+origins+workprint+torre.. http://www.google.com/search?q=x+men+origins+workprint+torre.... arrived on Rupert Murdoch's desk. Rumor from a random guy on the internet alleges the Rupert Murdoch incident. When Rupert Murdoch is angry, the FBI suits up and smashes your shit. Maybe RM really leaked it and wants to make himself look less suspicious. http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/89vm4/if_you_run.. http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/89vm4/if_you_run.... Reddit also eventually concludes that the connections here are all rumor and possibly an April Fool's joke mixed in somewhere.
      - thedark 18y ago
        The Wolverine leak isn't just according to a random person on the internet- its been leaked and is out there for sure. I'm positive you know this though as your description looks basically like a torrent file header, so I'm not sure why you would attribute this to just some person on the internet. I agree with you as well- that these events are likely connected, but as far as I understand it is just speculation at this point.
        rms 18y ago
        I meant that a random guy claimed that a copy was sent to Rupert Murdoch two days before the online leak. Also that a random guy claimed it was connected to the data center raid. Different random guys, of course. I edited my post above to make it a little more clear, I think. Basically nothing is known about what happened except that the FBI offered to speed up their analysis of the machines if the corporations contact the FBI.
- Andys 18y ago
  I can't think of a single one that would justify taking down an entire datacenter like that. It'd be like evacuating a city block because of a single resident's alleged wrongdoings.
  - Eliezer 18y ago
    Runaway AI (yes, this is a joke)
    - rms 18y ago
      The joke being that it wouldn't stop the runaway AI?

azanar 18y ago

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-Investigation-Causing-Collateral-Damage-101709 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Is-Wolverine-Leak-Investi... This was linked off of the Dallas Observer blog here: http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/04/so_what_led_fbi_agents_to_raid.php http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/04/so_what_l... How legit this is, or how credible Dallas Observer is, I have no idea.

stoic 18y ago
The Dallas Observer is part of Village Voice Media (http://www.villagevoicemedia.com http://www.villagevoicemedia.com), which includes similar local weekly newspapers in other cities. They aren't exactly incompetent rabble-rousers, but they tend to do more investigative journalism and "what-if" scenarios than your average major daily newspaper. I doubt they have any real direct experience with this particular corner of the IT industry, though, because it's incredibly unlikely that pirated movies prompted the takedown. I've worked at various hosting companies around Dallas for 5 years, and have worked or observed quite a few abuse cases involving the federal government. This sort of heavy-handed action (killing an entire company's operations for a single client) has NEVER happened in my experience, and definitely not for something as innocuous as copyright infringement. That's what the DMCA is for. The feds don't get involved unless it's some seriously nasty stuff going on, like child porn, suspected terrorist communication, fraud, malware distribution, etc. In the event that the government gets involved, they will have a field agent demand access to individual systems under a subpoena, but only to the systems actually involved (maybe some switches/routers as well). Unless Core IP has been proven to be complicit in some kind of ultra-illegal activity, e.g. the CTO is the kingpin of some hardcore piracy network, I have a hard time believing that this has anything to do with a leaked movie. I'd think that the Secret Service (US Treasury) would be involved in such a case, rather than the FBI. This really is completely ridiculous, though. Makes you want to go read the common carrier laws cover-to-cover :) edit: I guess this piracy thing has been confirmed as a rumor for some time... but hopefully this sheds some light about how the process works :)