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I'd rather not share any details even though my father passed away earlier this month. Rest assured, when I say senior pilot, I mean at the highest echelons of

by ashray 14y ago

I'd rather not share any details even though my father passed away earlier this month. Rest assured, when I say senior pilot, I mean at the highest echelons of the forces. Yes, General Rank level indeed. Maybe you don't know how deals work but they often require a recommendation from the people who are going to actually USE the equipment. I don't see why you seem to be so upset about this. It's hardly a secret in India. I didn't say that my father agreed to be party to this, and neither do many other senior military officials, but this is a dirty game and no one denies that. As for you not believing my sources, frankly, I don't really care. For reference, this was within the last 10 years.

magicmike1123 14y ago
I up-voted your parent and would down vote you if I could, here is why (a) Defense deals are not the domain of the home minster, their oversight is the responsibility of the defense ministry. (b) There have been 2 home minsters in the last 10 years Shivraj Patil P Chidambaram Shivraj Patil and his children, Shailesh Patil and Archana Patil have faced regular accusations of corruption. The reports of their corruption are in the domain of land acquisition and obtaining permits for business that they would not otherwise have likely received. This was largely done using their fathers name and listing their home address as the home ministers residence in New Delhi. But neither of them are involved in the business of arms. Chidambaram has 1 son Karti Chidambaram, who likewise has benefited from his fathers association. Chief among which was accusations that he received 5% stake in Aircel as kickbacks for other approvals from his father. Quote from wikipedia "according to The Pioneer and India Today reports, documents show that approval to the foreign direct investment (FDI) proposal was indeed delayed by about 7 months by P Chidambaram.". This was during the time that Chidambaram held the position of Finance minister. It would be likely that Karti benefited later from his father holding the home portfolio in the same manner as Shivraj Patil's children. (c) From your own admission in this response, your father was to only make recommendations for purchase of equipment which is vastly different from have the authority to make purchase, which is what you claim in the first. I take it from the 2 comments that he recommended their purchase. Your comments show poor form for claiming something that is clearly not true. (d) Last but not the least, your father spoke about matters that he had no reason to be addressing outside of his work place. The exceptions could be his role as a whistle blower which is definitely not the case here. As someone whose father worked as director of DRDO organization and had purchasing authority for research equipment for a lab that employed 100000+ employees and 1000+ scientists, I can assure you my father never even in passing mentioned any work related information outside of work for obvious security implications. EDIT: edited for formatting.
- ashray 14y ago
  The entire border security force falls under the home ministry. They buy large amounts of defense equipment. Get your facts straight before making a mountain out of a molehill. Recommendations at that level are the same as endorsements - and are also necessary for deals to go through FYI the particular deal I spoke of did not go through. There's no point arguing this as I'm not really trying to prove anything here. India's defense deals suffer from large amounts of corruption and there is no question about that. To say that certain people are only attracted to certain kinds of corruption as your post says is almost laughable. It's also strange that you just registered to say all of this on a hacking related forum. Makes me think of you as the same person as rikacomet. You certainly don't have any credibility.
- rikacomet 14y ago
  point (D) mentioned by you is the exact reason, I first doubted him. This is not something someone of that senior level usually does, nor does any of his family members do the same.
  - magicmike1123 14y ago
    In his defense his father was in the Air force, he retired at the rank of Air Vice marshal and I would guess at the time when he claims to have heard from his father of the incident his father was the rank of Air commodore. On "Air commodore" from wikipedia "Air commodore (Air Cdre in the RAF and IAF, AIRCDRE in the RNZAF and RAAF, formerly A/C in the RCAF) is a one-star rank and the most junior of the air-officer ranks". Note air-officer ranks are fairly high and take a number of years of service to achieve. However these ranks are fairly low when it comes to procuring equipment. "Air Vice marshal" is one rank higher. I do think he believes what he claims in his comments, I am just pointing out that his beliefs are vastly exaggerated. His father was likely asked about his recommendations of the aircraft but is unlikely to have any knowledge beyond that about the reason that a particular aircraft was procured. Everything else that he has heard is hear say. Far more relevant is that the defense ministry has been headed by A.K. Antony since 2006. Antony is known for his incorruptible record and simple personal life, wikipedia has about 10+ references on where this claim originates from. Antony like wise has a very low profile and is rarely in the news. For anyone following Indian politics it is fairly well know that there are a handful of non-corruptible politicians across all affiliations in India. Antony has always been included amongst those.

by ashray 14y ago

magicmike1123 14y ago

I up-voted your parent and would down vote you if I could, here is why (a) Defense deals are not the domain of the home minster, their oversight is the responsibility of the defense ministry. (b) There have been 2 home minsters in the last 10 years Shivraj Patil P Chidambaram Shivraj Patil and his children, Shailesh Patil and Archana Patil have faced regular accusations of corruption. The reports of their corruption are in the domain of land acquisition and obtaining permits for business that they would not otherwise have likely received. This was largely done using their fathers name and listing their home address as the home ministers residence in New Delhi. But neither of them are involved in the business of arms. Chidambaram has 1 son Karti Chidambaram, who likewise has benefited from his fathers association. Chief among which was accusations that he received 5% stake in Aircel as kickbacks for other approvals from his father. Quote from wikipedia "according to The Pioneer and India Today reports, documents show that approval to the foreign direct investment (FDI) proposal was indeed delayed by about 7 months by P Chidambaram.". This was during the time that Chidambaram held the position of Finance minister. It would be likely that Karti benefited later from his father holding the home portfolio in the same manner as Shivraj Patil's children. (c) From your own admission in this response, your father was to only make recommendations for purchase of equipment which is vastly different from have the authority to make purchase, which is what you claim in the first. I take it from the 2 comments that he recommended their purchase. Your comments show poor form for claiming something that is clearly not true. (d) Last but not the least, your father spoke about matters that he had no reason to be addressing outside of his work place. The exceptions could be his role as a whistle blower which is definitely not the case here. As someone whose father worked as director of DRDO organization and had purchasing authority for research equipment for a lab that employed 100000+ employees and 1000+ scientists, I can assure you my father never even in passing mentioned any work related information outside of work for obvious security implications. EDIT: edited for formatting.

ashray 14y ago
The entire border security force falls under the home ministry. They buy large amounts of defense equipment. Get your facts straight before making a mountain out of a molehill. Recommendations at that level are the same as endorsements - and are also necessary for deals to go through FYI the particular deal I spoke of did not go through. There's no point arguing this as I'm not really trying to prove anything here. India's defense deals suffer from large amounts of corruption and there is no question about that. To say that certain people are only attracted to certain kinds of corruption as your post says is almost laughable. It's also strange that you just registered to say all of this on a hacking related forum. Makes me think of you as the same person as rikacomet. You certainly don't have any credibility.
rikacomet 14y ago
point (D) mentioned by you is the exact reason, I first doubted him. This is not something someone of that senior level usually does, nor does any of his family members do the same.
- magicmike1123 14y ago
  In his defense his father was in the Air force, he retired at the rank of Air Vice marshal and I would guess at the time when he claims to have heard from his father of the incident his father was the rank of Air commodore. On "Air commodore" from wikipedia "Air commodore (Air Cdre in the RAF and IAF, AIRCDRE in the RNZAF and RAAF, formerly A/C in the RCAF) is a one-star rank and the most junior of the air-officer ranks". Note air-officer ranks are fairly high and take a number of years of service to achieve. However these ranks are fairly low when it comes to procuring equipment. "Air Vice marshal" is one rank higher. I do think he believes what he claims in his comments, I am just pointing out that his beliefs are vastly exaggerated. His father was likely asked about his recommendations of the aircraft but is unlikely to have any knowledge beyond that about the reason that a particular aircraft was procured. Everything else that he has heard is hear say. Far more relevant is that the defense ministry has been headed by A.K. Antony since 2006. Antony is known for his incorruptible record and simple personal life, wikipedia has about 10+ references on where this claim originates from. Antony like wise has a very low profile and is rarely in the news. For anyone following Indian politics it is fairly well know that there are a handful of non-corruptible politicians across all affiliations in India. Antony has always been included amongst those.