Well, that's not what you wrote, but OK. And as long as we're disagreeing, I will clarify and say that I am not suggesting that the nation will be inevitably d

Well, that's not what you wrote, but OK. And as long as we're disagreeing, I will clarify and say that I am not suggesting that the nation will be inevitably dismantled. I am stating very clearly that it is being dismantled even as we type, and has been undergoing this process for some time. It started with the Patriot Act, near as I can tell. Again, that was my point and you are helping me to make it. You appear to be waiting on that "grand moment of dismantling", complete with announcement and marching band. However, the band is playing right now, but many simply don't hear it. Edit: And by the time they do hear it, it will be too late. They'll just look around perplexed and say, "Well, that's odd. When did that happen?"