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It has nothing to do with entitlement. It has to do with the fact that there's apparently a shortage of developers in the world which means that one can be more

by nikomen 14y ago

It has nothing to do with entitlement. It has to do with the fact that there's apparently a shortage of developers in the world which means that one can be more "picky" about what they expect from an employer. Also, I want a job where my responsibility is to get work done, not be required to follow unnecessary policies or accomplish things that have nothing to do with the task at hand. A lot of companies implement policies "just because" even if they hinder getting actual work done.

adnam 14y ago
I think it's the same thing, isn't it? My wife is an Architect -- a real Architect, not a BillG wannabe -- and is gobsmacked at the arrogance of people in the tech industry towards hiring. "I'm not here to be interviewed, I'm going to interview you" "These tremendous company benefits totally suck" "It is my divine right to work from home" "Co-workers are to be seen and not heard" etc etc
- nawitus 14y ago
  So it's okay for a corporation to be entitled but not individual people? Says quite a lot about you.
  - adnam 14y ago
    "Let me cram these words in your mouth, and point out how much that says about you". Erm..? I can't reply so [edit], now you're going to tell me "that's how language works"? I stopped reading right there.
    - nawitus 14y ago
      My point was presented as a question, you have the right to clarify your thoughts if you disagree. People make interpretations out of what other people have said. That's how language works, actually. It just seems that you say it's wrong for the employees to have the edge, but not for the employer to have it. In another industry there's a lot more job seekers than available positions (e.g. the supply of jobs is lower than the demand). In those industries the company has the edge, it's entitled to hold all power in an interview situation, and can filter applications that try to make certain demands. In the tech industry, there's big demand for experienced developers. Software engineers can choose a job from several good options. Therefore the applicants are entitled to make certain demands, like asking questions from the employer. Besides, many employers except this, and say in the beginning of the interview that it's a "two-way interview". Your comment made it seem that it's okay for only one side to be entitled, that is the company instead of the individual.
- nathan_long 14y ago
  I do think it's important to be grateful and humble. However, you could similarly mock most decisions we make in the marketplace. If you live in the first world and you are shopping for houses or apartments, you might decide against one because of the decor. That would seem ridiculously privileged from the perspective of someone who lives in a mud hut. But the fact is that you have options, and you have to choose somehow. A developer with 10 good job choices has to choose somehow. Whatever differentiates those jobs will be a small matter. But it will be a difference. If the market for developers tanks, we'll lower our standards.

by nikomen 14y ago

adnam 14y ago

I think it's the same thing, isn't it? My wife is an Architect -- a real Architect, not a BillG wannabe -- and is gobsmacked at the arrogance of people in the tech industry towards hiring. "I'm not here to be interviewed, I'm going to interview you" "These tremendous company benefits totally suck" "It is my divine right to work from home" "Co-workers are to be seen and not heard" etc etc

nawitus 14y ago
So it's okay for a corporation to be entitled but not individual people? Says quite a lot about you.
- adnam 14y ago
  "Let me cram these words in your mouth, and point out how much that says about you". Erm..? I can't reply so [edit], now you're going to tell me "that's how language works"? I stopped reading right there.
  - nawitus 14y ago
    My point was presented as a question, you have the right to clarify your thoughts if you disagree. People make interpretations out of what other people have said. That's how language works, actually. It just seems that you say it's wrong for the employees to have the edge, but not for the employer to have it. In another industry there's a lot more job seekers than available positions (e.g. the supply of jobs is lower than the demand). In those industries the company has the edge, it's entitled to hold all power in an interview situation, and can filter applications that try to make certain demands. In the tech industry, there's big demand for experienced developers. Software engineers can choose a job from several good options. Therefore the applicants are entitled to make certain demands, like asking questions from the employer. Besides, many employers except this, and say in the beginning of the interview that it's a "two-way interview". Your comment made it seem that it's okay for only one side to be entitled, that is the company instead of the individual.
nathan_long 14y ago
I do think it's important to be grateful and humble. However, you could similarly mock most decisions we make in the marketplace. If you live in the first world and you are shopping for houses or apartments, you might decide against one because of the decor. That would seem ridiculously privileged from the perspective of someone who lives in a mud hut. But the fact is that you have options, and you have to choose somehow. A developer with 10 good job choices has to choose somehow. Whatever differentiates those jobs will be a small matter. But it will be a difference. If the market for developers tanks, we'll lower our standards.