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I like ownCloud but it is very immature. I mean it looks very snazzy right when you first install it and start to use it, but has a lot of little issues hidden

I like ownCloud but it is very immature. I mean it looks very snazzy right when you first install it and start to use it, but has a lot of little issues hidden under the surface. Couple of examples: Randomly deleting files because it got confused. Infinite loops. Essentially unusable on Windows servers (don't even try). etc. As I said, I like OwnCloud, and I think it has a very bright future ahead of it. But it isn't "there" yet. I'd never use it in an enterprise in its current state.

eddieroger 14y ago
That's discomforting, because I just installed it. I don't really need or want the filesharing bits, but a shared family calendar has been a holy grail for my family for a while now, and this seemed to be the quickest and closest way of doing it cross-platform.
- UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
  It is a great product when it works correctly. So you should definitely give it a shot.
  - eddieroger 14y ago
    I am, and I've been using it as my personal calendar for about two weeks now. So far it seems fine enough, but a little wonky around editing events that repeat. Honestly, probably lack of training - I haven't spent more than 15 minutes with it per sitting, and stopped actively tinkering once I got CalDAV working.
- Terretta 14y ago
  > a shared family calendar has been a holy grail for my family for a while now Out of curiosity, what's wrong with clicking the "Share" button on an iCal, sorry, iCloud Calendar? My family (incl those on Windows) finds this works well.
  - eddieroger 14y ago
    I suppose nothing other than I didn't know that existed. I'd fall back on the old "I like owning my data," but I will take ease of setup for a company I trust. So, looking in to that tonight.
  - marssaxman 14y ago
    Doesn't that require you to store your calendar data on Apple's servers?
chrisblackwell 14y ago
WordPress at one point was very immature, but with the support of the community, it flourished into the stable giant and standard that it is today.
casca 14y ago
I dumped ownCloud after it deleted a critical file for some unknown reason. The bug is still open. Maybe the calendar and addressbook handling is better, but I won't be trusting it.
- sdoering 14y ago
  Good to know. Well I never had problems with the calender or the bookmarks up till now (6 months going). But I do not use it for files. So good to know, that there might be a problem. Did it "loose" the files, deleting the files from the server, or just the "link" to the files?
  - UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
    I am not OP, but what it reportedly does is when a new file appears, if the clocks aren't exactly in sync, instead of "spreading" that file to other machines, it instead immediately deletes it because other machines are "newer" and don't have the file (or something). There is some kind of strange race condition with the syncing. It doesn't always happen. In fact it doesn't happen very often. But most people won't accept even a "rare" random file deletion from a product they're using to protect themselves from exactly that kind of data loss.
- jancborchardt 14y ago
  Sorry for the problems. Obviously we never want data loss to happen but sometimes it does, whether it’s error in the code or in the setup. Can you give me a link to the bug?
  - casca 14y ago
    Hi Jan, Thank you for the work you've done on ownCloud. It's a fantastic project and it would be my first choice for hosting as I self-host everything. But a client that is willing to delete files instead of syncing them is just not worth risking for me. Links: http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3148 http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3148 https://github.com/owncloud/mirall/issues/328 https://github.com/owncloud/mirall/issues/328
sciurus 14y ago
If you just care about calendars and contacts there is single-purpose CalDAV/CardDAV server software you can use. I setup Baïkal recently and got OS X and iOS syncing with it without any problems. I haven't started migrating my existing contacts and calendars to it yet, though. Baïkal http://baikal-server.com/ http://baikal-server.com/ Radicale http://radicale.org/ http://radicale.org/ DAViCal http://www.davical.org/ http://www.davical.org/
jancborchardt 14y ago
Please for any issue you have let us know in the issue tracker: http://github.com/owncloud/core/issues http://github.com/owncloud/core/issues Many times grave errors like file deletion are really hard to reproduce because of special setups or other errors, that’s why we need logs and more info to be able to properly debug. Thanks!

eddieroger 14y ago

That's discomforting, because I just installed it. I don't really need or want the filesharing bits, but a shared family calendar has been a holy grail for my family for a while now, and this seemed to be the quickest and closest way of doing it cross-platform.

UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
It is a great product when it works correctly. So you should definitely give it a shot.
- eddieroger 14y ago
  I am, and I've been using it as my personal calendar for about two weeks now. So far it seems fine enough, but a little wonky around editing events that repeat. Honestly, probably lack of training - I haven't spent more than 15 minutes with it per sitting, and stopped actively tinkering once I got CalDAV working.
Terretta 14y ago
> a shared family calendar has been a holy grail for my family for a while now Out of curiosity, what's wrong with clicking the "Share" button on an iCal, sorry, iCloud Calendar? My family (incl those on Windows) finds this works well.
- eddieroger 14y ago
  I suppose nothing other than I didn't know that existed. I'd fall back on the old "I like owning my data," but I will take ease of setup for a company I trust. So, looking in to that tonight.
- marssaxman 14y ago
  Doesn't that require you to store your calendar data on Apple's servers?

chrisblackwell 14y ago

WordPress at one point was very immature, but with the support of the community, it flourished into the stable giant and standard that it is today.

casca 14y ago

I dumped ownCloud after it deleted a critical file for some unknown reason. The bug is still open. Maybe the calendar and addressbook handling is better, but I won't be trusting it.

sdoering 14y ago
Good to know. Well I never had problems with the calender or the bookmarks up till now (6 months going). But I do not use it for files. So good to know, that there might be a problem. Did it "loose" the files, deleting the files from the server, or just the "link" to the files?
- UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
  I am not OP, but what it reportedly does is when a new file appears, if the clocks aren't exactly in sync, instead of "spreading" that file to other machines, it instead immediately deletes it because other machines are "newer" and don't have the file (or something). There is some kind of strange race condition with the syncing. It doesn't always happen. In fact it doesn't happen very often. But most people won't accept even a "rare" random file deletion from a product they're using to protect themselves from exactly that kind of data loss.
jancborchardt 14y ago
Sorry for the problems. Obviously we never want data loss to happen but sometimes it does, whether it’s error in the code or in the setup. Can you give me a link to the bug?
- casca 14y ago
  Hi Jan, Thank you for the work you've done on ownCloud. It's a fantastic project and it would be my first choice for hosting as I self-host everything. But a client that is willing to delete files instead of syncing them is just not worth risking for me. Links: http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3148 http://forum.owncloud.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3148 https://github.com/owncloud/mirall/issues/328 https://github.com/owncloud/mirall/issues/328

sciurus 14y ago

If you just care about calendars and contacts there is single-purpose CalDAV/CardDAV server software you can use. I setup Baïkal recently and got OS X and iOS syncing with it without any problems. I haven't started migrating my existing contacts and calendars to it yet, though. Baïkal http://baikal-server.com/ http://baikal-server.com/ Radicale http://radicale.org/ http://radicale.org/ DAViCal http://www.davical.org/ http://www.davical.org/

jancborchardt 14y ago

Please for any issue you have let us know in the issue tracker: http://github.com/owncloud/core/issues http://github.com/owncloud/core/issues Many times grave errors like file deletion are really hard to reproduce because of special setups or other errors, that’s why we need logs and more info to be able to properly debug. Thanks!