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This is worth a patch to PHP core... not that it would get accepted.

by DomBlack 14y ago

pyre 14y ago
Why wouldn't they accept localization efforts? ;-)
- vidarh 14y ago
  I still remember with dread working on a Word Basic "application" to generate MS Help documents for an internation company's ISO 9001 quality manual back when it was still Word Basic. One challenge was that the Norwegian subsidiary had "inherited" this code from the Danish subsidiary. And Word Basic was localized. The problem is, some of the code had been cut and pasted and saved as text and Danish and Norwegian are very close so sometimes that would work, and sometimes it would seem to work but errors would lurk around every corner, and only occasionally would it fall flat on its face in obvious ways (if it'd been transferred from a different language version at least it'd been more likely to be obvious on reading through the code what needed to be modified..)
- gambiting 14y ago
  I am of an opinion that it should be an option for people who really want it, but it should not be an acceptable industry practice to write code/comments in a language other than English. Latest example of this is the official Sony PSM SDK, which has half of its documentation and code comments in Japanese. So now Sony has to pay somebody to actually translate it, instead of simply insisting on their Japanese programmers using English in the first place, which I am pretty sure they are perfectly capable of. The same situation with the official PS3 SDK - but that was released more than 7 years ago now,so I doubt that they will ever fix it. And that's a product for which you have to pay serious money as well, so it's completely unacceptable.
  - lil_cain 14y ago
    Have you ever tried to work in a language other than your own? It's non-trivially harder. Also, Sony sell their SDK in several countries - why translate it into English, rather than say, Spanish (or insist they use English, rather than Spanish).
    - gambiting 14y ago
      Of course I have, English is not my native language and all of my code and all of my comments are in English. I frown upon people who write comments in my own language in the code, I see it as not professional. And insist on using English, because most programming languages are in English. It is defacto standard for programming and computers in general, and I am not discussing it - it's just how it is. Therefore selling a commercial product and providing documentation only in Japanese is a massive oversight on Sony's part.

This is worth a patch to PHP core... not that it would get accepted.

pyre 14y ago

Why wouldn't they accept localization efforts? ;-)

vidarh 14y ago
I still remember with dread working on a Word Basic "application" to generate MS Help documents for an internation company's ISO 9001 quality manual back when it was still Word Basic. One challenge was that the Norwegian subsidiary had "inherited" this code from the Danish subsidiary. And Word Basic was localized. The problem is, some of the code had been cut and pasted and saved as text and Danish and Norwegian are very close so sometimes that would work, and sometimes it would seem to work but errors would lurk around every corner, and only occasionally would it fall flat on its face in obvious ways (if it'd been transferred from a different language version at least it'd been more likely to be obvious on reading through the code what needed to be modified..)
gambiting 14y ago
I am of an opinion that it should be an option for people who really want it, but it should not be an acceptable industry practice to write code/comments in a language other than English. Latest example of this is the official Sony PSM SDK, which has half of its documentation and code comments in Japanese. So now Sony has to pay somebody to actually translate it, instead of simply insisting on their Japanese programmers using English in the first place, which I am pretty sure they are perfectly capable of. The same situation with the official PS3 SDK - but that was released more than 7 years ago now,so I doubt that they will ever fix it. And that's a product for which you have to pay serious money as well, so it's completely unacceptable.
- lil_cain 14y ago
  Have you ever tried to work in a language other than your own? It's non-trivially harder. Also, Sony sell their SDK in several countries - why translate it into English, rather than say, Spanish (or insist they use English, rather than Spanish).
  - gambiting 14y ago
    Of course I have, English is not my native language and all of my code and all of my comments are in English. I frown upon people who write comments in my own language in the code, I see it as not professional. And insist on using English, because most programming languages are in English. It is defacto standard for programming and computers in general, and I am not discussing it - it's just how it is. Therefore selling a commercial product and providing documentation only in Japanese is a massive oversight on Sony's part.