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You mean just like the farmers who produce food that people working in advertising eat?

by skore 14y ago

arrrg 14y ago
Google sells advertising space. They are a giant marketing company. And no, you cannot divorce responsibilities like that. That’s just dumb. How can you even?! How is that argumentation even possible?!
- saraid216 14y ago
  So we're burning down all newspapers and TV and radio stations too, right?
  - arrrg 14y ago
    I’m not the one wanting to see advertisers dead. Others suggested that. You can’t have it both ways. You do know that Google is firmly part of that advertising industry? That’s how they make their money. Did you even read the article? The IAB is complaining about Mozilla. You know who’s a member of the IAB? Fucking Google! See here: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
- skore 14y ago
  My apologies, I thought we were both having a go. To explain it absolutely sober: There are people who actually work in advertising and marketing. Their job, more often than not, is selling something to people that they don't need. That's the kind of people I'm attacking and that should be easy to see from the video I linked. Google has an advertising division, but largely, they supply services to advertisers. They are as responsible for advertisements they run as TV Channels are for the ads they run during commercial breaks. Now, taking that claim further and saying we should also include farmers is hyperbole to highlight the fact that your argument is a red herring. But again - I thought we were just having a laugh here.
  - arrrg 14y ago
    Google is part of the advertising industry. You cannot separate that two. That makes no sense at all. Who do you think wants targeting to work? Advertisers buy targeting services – but the ones selling them are companies like Google. That’s what they do. To want to separate that is completely crazy. You know, why are we even having this discussion? You know who complained about Mozilla here? Why, yes, it’s the IAB and one of their members is – you guessed it – Google. This is one of the lobby organizations Google is part of. See: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
    - skore 14y ago
      > To want to separate that is completely crazy. Why?
  - Silhouette 14y ago
    There are people who actually work in advertising and marketing. Their job, more often than not, is selling something to people that they don't need. That's a big assumption. Someone also has to sell the things that people do need, or more generally the things that people would genuinely value and have an interest in buying if they knew about them. Advertising done responsibly serves a useful purpose for all concerned. The problem is that a lot of on-line advertising is not done responsibly, and that's why people find it intrusive and annoying and creepy and all those other negative connotations. Also, marketing and advertising are not the same thing.
    - skore 14y ago
      > That's a big assumption. I thought it was enough to qualify it with "more often than not". > Someone also has to sell the things that people do need I think I can justly say that I purchase far more things that weren't advertised to me than those that were. The 'someone' in this equation is, imho, the people who actually produce stuff. > Advertising done responsibly serves a useful purpose for all concerned. Absolutely agree. My point isn't that it's impossible, just that it is rare. So rare, that I think the fury against the people who don't handle it responsibly is justified. > Also, marketing and advertising are not the same thing. Borrowed that generalization from Mr. Hicks.

You mean just like the farmers who produce food that people working in advertising eat?

by skore 14y ago

You mean just like the farmers who produce food that people working in advertising eat?

arrrg 14y ago

Google sells advertising space. They are a giant marketing company. And no, you cannot divorce responsibilities like that. That’s just dumb. How can you even?! How is that argumentation even possible?!

saraid216 14y ago
So we're burning down all newspapers and TV and radio stations too, right?
- arrrg 14y ago
  I’m not the one wanting to see advertisers dead. Others suggested that. You can’t have it both ways. You do know that Google is firmly part of that advertising industry? That’s how they make their money. Did you even read the article? The IAB is complaining about Mozilla. You know who’s a member of the IAB? Fucking Google! See here: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
skore 14y ago
My apologies, I thought we were both having a go. To explain it absolutely sober: There are people who actually work in advertising and marketing. Their job, more often than not, is selling something to people that they don't need. That's the kind of people I'm attacking and that should be easy to see from the video I linked. Google has an advertising division, but largely, they supply services to advertisers. They are as responsible for advertisements they run as TV Channels are for the ads they run during commercial breaks. Now, taking that claim further and saying we should also include farmers is hyperbole to highlight the fact that your argument is a red herring. But again - I thought we were just having a laugh here.
- arrrg 14y ago
  Google is part of the advertising industry. You cannot separate that two. That makes no sense at all. Who do you think wants targeting to work? Advertisers buy targeting services – but the ones selling them are companies like Google. That’s what they do. To want to separate that is completely crazy. You know, why are we even having this discussion? You know who complained about Mozilla here? Why, yes, it’s the IAB and one of their members is – you guessed it – Google. This is one of the lobby organizations Google is part of. See: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
  - skore 14y ago
    > To want to separate that is completely crazy. Why?
- Silhouette 14y ago
  There are people who actually work in advertising and marketing. Their job, more often than not, is selling something to people that they don't need. That's a big assumption. Someone also has to sell the things that people do need, or more generally the things that people would genuinely value and have an interest in buying if they knew about them. Advertising done responsibly serves a useful purpose for all concerned. The problem is that a lot of on-line advertising is not done responsibly, and that's why people find it intrusive and annoying and creepy and all those other negative connotations. Also, marketing and advertising are not the same thing.
  - skore 14y ago
    > That's a big assumption. I thought it was enough to qualify it with "more often than not". > Someone also has to sell the things that people do need I think I can justly say that I purchase far more things that weren't advertised to me than those that were. The 'someone' in this equation is, imho, the people who actually produce stuff. > Advertising done responsibly serves a useful purpose for all concerned. Absolutely agree. My point isn't that it's impossible, just that it is rare. So rare, that I think the fury against the people who don't handle it responsibly is justified. > Also, marketing and advertising are not the same thing. Borrowed that generalization from Mr. Hicks.