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> They'll see untargeted ads, which will look like spam That's your loss, not mine, asshole.

by h2s 14y ago

skore 14y ago
A thousand times this. "Oh no! Somebody else will stop doing our job for us, the horror!". Go die in a thousand fucking fires, people working in advertising/marketing[0]. [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo (edit: Jeez, hyperbole detectors seem to have a calibration problem today.)
- pud 14y ago
  The irony in your comment is that YouTube exists because of advertising.
  - skore 14y ago
    Yes, it is ironic, but I could just as well have put in a quote.
  - adam-a 14y ago
    YouTube is supported by advertising, but it doesn't exist _because_ of it. It's possible to imagine a world where users did not tolerate advertising and YouTube found their funding from user subscriptions, product referrals, government funding, or some other means.
- arrrg 14y ago
  So, uhm, people working at Google should die?
  - skore 14y ago
    You mean just like the farmers who produce food that people working in advertising eat?
    - arrrg 14y ago
      Google sells advertising space. They are a giant marketing company. And no, you cannot divorce responsibilities like that. That’s just dumb. How can you even?! How is that argumentation even possible?!
      - saraid216 14y ago
        So we're burning down all newspapers and TV and radio stations too, right?
        arrrg 14y ago
        I’m not the one wanting to see advertisers dead. Others suggested that. You can’t have it both ways. You do know that Google is firmly part of that advertising industry? That’s how they make their money. Did you even read the article? The IAB is complaining about Mozilla. You know who’s a member of the IAB? Fucking Google! See here: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
      - skore 14y ago
        My apologies, I thought we were both having a go. To explain it absolutely sober: There are people who actually work in advertising and marketing. Their job, more often than not, is selling something to people that they don't need. That's the kind of people I'm attacking and that should be easy to see from the video I linked. Google has an advertising division, but largely, they supply services to advertisers. They are as responsible for advertisements they run as TV Channels are for the ads they run during commercial breaks. Now, taking that claim further and saying we should also include farmers is hyperbole to highlight the fact that your argument is a red herring. But again - I thought we were just having a laugh here.
        arrrg 14y ago
        Google is part of the advertising industry. You cannot separate that two. That makes no sense at all. Who do you think wants targeting to work? Advertisers buy targeting services – but the ones selling them are companies like Google. That’s what they do. To want to separate that is completely crazy. You know, why are we even having this discussion? You know who complained about Mozilla here? Why, yes, it’s the IAB and one of their members is – you guessed it – Google. This is one of the lobby organizations Google is part of. See: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
- thomholwerda 14y ago
  Wishing people to death really isn't cool. How would you feel if random people on the web told you they wanted you or your family to die? Disagrement - okay - but calling for people to be killed - not okay, especially not over over something as utterly inconsequential as ads on a damn website. Remember that you just committed a very serious criminal offense with your post. I'm not sure how this reflects on the compony you work for as per your profile.
  - skore 14y ago
    And here I was thinking I had made it grand enough a hyperbole that it was easy to notice. Oh and your remark on my company is funny. I leave it to everybody with more than a 1 second attention span to figure out why. Feel free to talk to HR.
  - caf 14y ago
    Don't be melodramatic, there's no criminal offence there.
  - youngerdryas 14y ago
    In exactly what country is that a criminal offense?
  - Samuel_Michon 14y ago
    Threats like “I'm going to find you and strangle you in your sleep” or “I'm going to set your house on fire” are criminal offenses. Voicing a wish for someone to die in a fire isn't (unless there's a discriminatory nature to the threat). In this case, it wasn't targeted at one person but at a hard to define group. Utterly tasteless? Sure. Illegal? Nah. NB: Since you're Dutch, this site is relevant and shocking: http://www.doodsbedreiging.nl/ http://www.doodsbedreiging.nl/
swombat 14y ago
To be honest, the targeted ads look even more like spam to me. I see ads for FreeAgent (a UK online accounting system) everywhere I go, whether to american sites or european ones. The irony is, I'm already a FreeAgent customer. But I think I searched for "Xero" once (one of FreeAgent's competitors) and so somehow now I'm being hounded by the retargeting systems FreeAgent is using. Untargeted ads would be a bit less... boring...
gargoiler 14y ago
The whole argument is a moot point. You can track people perfectly well without using cookies.
johnward 14y ago
Not really. I'd rather see something I'm interested in than some random crap.

> They'll see untargeted ads, which will look like spam That's your loss, not mine, asshole.

by h2s 14y ago

> They'll see untargeted ads, which will look like spam That's your loss, not mine, asshole.

skore 14y ago

A thousand times this. "Oh no! Somebody else will stop doing our job for us, the horror!". Go die in a thousand fucking fires, people working in advertising/marketing[0]. [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo (edit: Jeez, hyperbole detectors seem to have a calibration problem today.)

pud 14y ago
The irony in your comment is that YouTube exists because of advertising.
- skore 14y ago
  Yes, it is ironic, but I could just as well have put in a quote.
- adam-a 14y ago
  YouTube is supported by advertising, but it doesn't exist _because_ of it. It's possible to imagine a world where users did not tolerate advertising and YouTube found their funding from user subscriptions, product referrals, government funding, or some other means.
arrrg 14y ago
So, uhm, people working at Google should die?
- skore 14y ago
  You mean just like the farmers who produce food that people working in advertising eat?
  - arrrg 14y ago
    Google sells advertising space. They are a giant marketing company. And no, you cannot divorce responsibilities like that. That’s just dumb. How can you even?! How is that argumentation even possible?!
    - saraid216 14y ago
      So we're burning down all newspapers and TV and radio stations too, right?
      - arrrg 14y ago
        I’m not the one wanting to see advertisers dead. Others suggested that. You can’t have it both ways. You do know that Google is firmly part of that advertising industry? That’s how they make their money. Did you even read the article? The IAB is complaining about Mozilla. You know who’s a member of the IAB? Fucking Google! See here: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
    - skore 14y ago
      My apologies, I thought we were both having a go. To explain it absolutely sober: There are people who actually work in advertising and marketing. Their job, more often than not, is selling something to people that they don't need. That's the kind of people I'm attacking and that should be easy to see from the video I linked. Google has an advertising division, but largely, they supply services to advertisers. They are as responsible for advertisements they run as TV Channels are for the ads they run during commercial breaks. Now, taking that claim further and saying we should also include farmers is hyperbole to highlight the fact that your argument is a red herring. But again - I thought we were just having a laugh here.
      - arrrg 14y ago
        Google is part of the advertising industry. You cannot separate that two. That makes no sense at all. Who do you think wants targeting to work? Advertisers buy targeting services – but the ones selling them are companies like Google. That’s what they do. To want to separate that is completely crazy. You know, why are we even having this discussion? You know who complained about Mozilla here? Why, yes, it’s the IAB and one of their members is – you guessed it – Google. This is one of the lobby organizations Google is part of. See: http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534 http://www.iab.net/member_center/1521/1534
thomholwerda 14y ago
Wishing people to death really isn't cool. How would you feel if random people on the web told you they wanted you or your family to die? Disagrement - okay - but calling for people to be killed - not okay, especially not over over something as utterly inconsequential as ads on a damn website. Remember that you just committed a very serious criminal offense with your post. I'm not sure how this reflects on the compony you work for as per your profile.
- skore 14y ago
  And here I was thinking I had made it grand enough a hyperbole that it was easy to notice. Oh and your remark on my company is funny. I leave it to everybody with more than a 1 second attention span to figure out why. Feel free to talk to HR.
- caf 14y ago
  Don't be melodramatic, there's no criminal offence there.
- youngerdryas 14y ago
  In exactly what country is that a criminal offense?
- Samuel_Michon 14y ago
  Threats like “I'm going to find you and strangle you in your sleep” or “I'm going to set your house on fire” are criminal offenses. Voicing a wish for someone to die in a fire isn't (unless there's a discriminatory nature to the threat). In this case, it wasn't targeted at one person but at a hard to define group. Utterly tasteless? Sure. Illegal? Nah. NB: Since you're Dutch, this site is relevant and shocking: http://www.doodsbedreiging.nl/ http://www.doodsbedreiging.nl/

swombat 14y ago

To be honest, the targeted ads look even more like spam to me. I see ads for FreeAgent (a UK online accounting system) everywhere I go, whether to american sites or european ones. The irony is, I'm already a FreeAgent customer. But I think I searched for "Xero" once (one of FreeAgent's competitors) and so somehow now I'm being hounded by the retargeting systems FreeAgent is using. Untargeted ads would be a bit less... boring...

gargoiler 14y ago

The whole argument is a moot point. You can track people perfectly well without using cookies.

johnward 14y ago

Not really. I'd rather see something I'm interested in than some random crap.