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There are no physical barriers that prevent women from operating in tech. There is no requirement to lift heavy machinery. There is nothing about operating a co
by monksy 14y ago
There are no physical barriers that prevent women from operating in tech. There is no requirement to lift heavy machinery. There is nothing about operating a computer that requires a masculine body structure nor is there anything in the female body structure that prevents it. There are many individuals in the tech field that took to programming because it satisfied a curiosity, not because "you're x and you're required to learn it." Tech [due to the typically socially isolating nature] is typically [I guess now you can say traditionally] discouraged to everyone.
I never claimed that women were "deserving of the attention." I also never stated that the harassment is ok either. My opinion about where I perceive most of the harassment coming from is misjudged. I'm stating that there is a problem that they don't know how to communicate what they want effectively. It's impossible to learn social skills in a vacuum. It's even worse when the opposite gender expects those skills and they aren't there.
It is ok for a guy to be interested in a girl that he may work with and express this, it is not ok for the guy to refuse to accept and keep persisting. You can't just go from being cold and strangers to knowing each other better without someone making a statement/action.
Motivation is a big deal, I'll agree. But pushing younger girls into coding camps isn't the answer, thats not going to build motivation. If that model worked you'd see professional girlscouts.
- wpietri 14y agoNobody has ever said that there is some sort of physical barrier, so I'm not sure why you need to argue against it. Nobody has ever said that colleagues shouldn't date ever, so again, you're beating up a straw man. The point of girl scouts isn't to make professional girl scouts, so that's another straw man. If you're going to argue against something, make sure that there's actually somebody on the other side.
- monksy 14y agoYou made the claim prior that I completely misunderstood the problem. You stated: >Yes, the only possible barriers are physical ones. >Nobody has ever said that colleagues shouldn't date ever, so again, you're beating up a straw man Overbearing behavior and guys who are desperate+lack the social graces produce the behavior that is typically described as harassment. > The point of girl scouts isn't to make professional girl scout, so that's another straw man. In the same sense of the "girl coding camps" it's the equivalent. There is a modern claim that "tech is unfriendly to women, and we need to encourage women to consider it." Or that "its a guys only thing" I don't think that Mrs. Hopper, LLamar, or Lovelace would agree.
- wpietri 14y agoI stand by my claim that you don't understand the problem. Or what Girl Scouts are supposed to achieve. Or really, anything about what Grace Hopper or Ada Lovelace would have to say.