I did the interview with Alan. Let me give the larger context. The interview was done shortly after Kay had shown a presentation done 50 years ago of one of the

I did the interview with Alan. Let me give the larger context. The interview was done shortly after Kay had shown a presentation done 50 years ago of one of the very first GUI programs. He wondered then and later in this interview why GUIs had essentially not evolved much in the intervening period, despite the huge jumps in technology in other areas. With me, he discussed how UIs were uninviting and mystifying to people who don't know how to use them (children and seniors). In addition, he felt the Web provided very little that would foster the individual's learning on his/her own terms. So while I suspect he'd agree with many of the comments posted here about the Web, he was not primarily speaking about protocols and bits and bytes, but by the end result: a presentation quality that only serves up what a TV can do, rather than deeply engaging individuals.