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Maybe he knows what Lynn Root did at last year's EuroPython[1][2] or how she complains about being only asked to talk about women issues[3] but when she got a s

Maybe he knows what Lynn Root did at last year's EuroPython[1][2] or how she complains about being only asked to talk about women issues[3] but when she got a spot in the lightning talk section she canceled it blaming the last day's "drama"[4]. [1] http://www.roguelynn.com/words/really/ http://www.roguelynn.com/words/really/ [2] http://www.roguelynn.com/words/a-memorable-europython-for-the-better/ http://www.roguelynn.com/words/a-memorable-europython-for-th... [3] http://www.roguelynn.com/words/my-un-talk-at-djangocon/ http://www.roguelynn.com/words/my-un-talk-at-djangocon/ [4] https://twitter.com/roguelynn/status/221217138688536577 https://twitter.com/roguelynn/status/221217138688536577

pekk 14y ago
I don't know Lynn Root, but I don't see anything here for any mature man to be upset about. If Lynn Root complains or does or doesn't give a lightning talk (on the basis of her feeling bad that day, or not having prepared or whatever) that might be some kind of faux pas but honestly, who gives a shit. People cancel lightning talks. It harms nobody. It certainly doesn't make everyone involved with PyLadies (e.g. Hynek Schlawack) into an Adria Richards feminist monster ruining your life. Tweet from your first link: "Sucked the marrow out of my osso bucco at dinner at #EuroPython. The waiter told me that I "will have very good orgasm." #Pyladies?" Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm...
- stefantalpalaru 14y ago
  >Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm... I'll do better. I'll explain why being offended that someone mentioned the name of your organization in a context you don't approve of doesn't give you the right to publicly shame that person and get the conference organizers involved even if it was well outside their jurisdiction (he tweeted from a restaurant, after the conference). We're adults. It's as simple as that. If you get offended by "orgasm" being too close to "ladies" in some string you don't run to the teacher. And you don't spend your next days telling people how much it affected you just reading that string. Or how much you cried. Or indulge in discussions on your blog's comment section about how the environment is "rapey" just to delete all the comments when you don't feel like talking any more. No. We're adults and we should act like adults. Being offended is no excuse for bullying. No excuse for self-victimization. No excuse for abuse.
  - mnicole 14y ago
    After being told he could bring a woman to climax with the way he ate dinner, he used "#Pyladies?" to solicit sex to anyone following that hashtag. How is that not completely inappropriate?
    - stefantalpalaru 14y ago
      >he used "#Pyladies?" to solicit sex to anyone following that hashtag How do you get to the sex soliciting part? Not that there's anything wrong with having sexual fantasies reading other people's tweets, but let's try to focus when talking about this, shall we?
  - pekk 14y ago
    As a man (and a throwback, not a feminist) I think we should be tougher than this, not cry for years when some young woman complains to a conference organizer about an overtly, over-the-line sexist remark aimed directly at the PyLadies organization. Now, the man in question was graceful enough to climb down and apologize and is widely respected and doing very well for himself today. That's correct. I suspect that the guy in question was probably a bit drunk or something, so in the end I think it is silly for anyone to still be offended about this incident. Nothing is being done to you. Nothing is being done to me. We don't need to be offended. We don't need to be resentful. We don't need to attack PyLadies. If you don't like them, then ignore them.
    - stefantalpalaru 14y ago
      >the man in question was graceful enough to climb down and apologize and is widely respected and doing very well for himself today I remember the event because there was nothing graceful about that man being forced to apologize repeatedly with no place for a rational discussion. It was public humiliation. And the fact that he didn't fought it made it even worse. Then there were organizers claiming that tweets containing "#europython" were part of the conference but that's another story.
mnicole 14y ago
ITT: We bust an organization's balls because of what someone not even in it did and then focus on one woman actually in the group to diminish the good intentions of the entire thing. Newsflash: you can't make judgement calls on entire groups because of a single person.
- stefantalpalaru 14y ago
  >We bust an organization's balls I find this expression inappropriate because "balls". Oh, I kid, we're all adults here. Feel free to use any colorful expression you see fit.

pekk 14y ago

I don't know Lynn Root, but I don't see anything here for any mature man to be upset about. If Lynn Root complains or does or doesn't give a lightning talk (on the basis of her feeling bad that day, or not having prepared or whatever) that might be some kind of faux pas but honestly, who gives a shit. People cancel lightning talks. It harms nobody. It certainly doesn't make everyone involved with PyLadies (e.g. Hynek Schlawack) into an Adria Richards feminist monster ruining your life. Tweet from your first link: "Sucked the marrow out of my osso bucco at dinner at #EuroPython. The waiter told me that I "will have very good orgasm." #Pyladies?" Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm...

stefantalpalaru 14y ago
>Please explain why it is not offensive for this guy to call upon PyLadies for an orgasm... I'll do better. I'll explain why being offended that someone mentioned the name of your organization in a context you don't approve of doesn't give you the right to publicly shame that person and get the conference organizers involved even if it was well outside their jurisdiction (he tweeted from a restaurant, after the conference). We're adults. It's as simple as that. If you get offended by "orgasm" being too close to "ladies" in some string you don't run to the teacher. And you don't spend your next days telling people how much it affected you just reading that string. Or how much you cried. Or indulge in discussions on your blog's comment section about how the environment is "rapey" just to delete all the comments when you don't feel like talking any more. No. We're adults and we should act like adults. Being offended is no excuse for bullying. No excuse for self-victimization. No excuse for abuse.
- mnicole 14y ago
  After being told he could bring a woman to climax with the way he ate dinner, he used "#Pyladies?" to solicit sex to anyone following that hashtag. How is that not completely inappropriate?
  - stefantalpalaru 14y ago
    >he used "#Pyladies?" to solicit sex to anyone following that hashtag How do you get to the sex soliciting part? Not that there's anything wrong with having sexual fantasies reading other people's tweets, but let's try to focus when talking about this, shall we?
- pekk 14y ago
  As a man (and a throwback, not a feminist) I think we should be tougher than this, not cry for years when some young woman complains to a conference organizer about an overtly, over-the-line sexist remark aimed directly at the PyLadies organization. Now, the man in question was graceful enough to climb down and apologize and is widely respected and doing very well for himself today. That's correct. I suspect that the guy in question was probably a bit drunk or something, so in the end I think it is silly for anyone to still be offended about this incident. Nothing is being done to you. Nothing is being done to me. We don't need to be offended. We don't need to be resentful. We don't need to attack PyLadies. If you don't like them, then ignore them.
  - stefantalpalaru 14y ago
    >the man in question was graceful enough to climb down and apologize and is widely respected and doing very well for himself today I remember the event because there was nothing graceful about that man being forced to apologize repeatedly with no place for a rational discussion. It was public humiliation. And the fact that he didn't fought it made it even worse. Then there were organizers claiming that tweets containing "#europython" were part of the conference but that's another story.

mnicole 14y ago

ITT: We bust an organization's balls because of what someone not even in it did and then focus on one woman actually in the group to diminish the good intentions of the entire thing. Newsflash: you can't make judgement calls on entire groups because of a single person.

stefantalpalaru 14y ago
>We bust an organization's balls I find this expression inappropriate because "balls". Oh, I kid, we're all adults here. Feel free to use any colorful expression you see fit.