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I am trying not to get personal here, but you are guilty of just the sort of discussion that I find both embarrassing and narrow minded. By narrow minded I mea

by SeanDav 14y ago

I am trying not to get personal here, but you are guilty of just the sort of discussion that I find both embarrassing and narrow minded. By narrow minded I mean you are deliberately cherry picking individual points out of context and trying to imply something negative or even the opposite of the original post. For example you say: > " a part of you would be quite happy if you never saw a female in tech again. Even a sane and moderate person can see in this post a suggestion that you would like to see women actively driven out of tech - all because you are offended about Adria Richards." Yet you very conveniently skip over the part where I say "a bigger part of me would love to see more women in tech". You are also putting words in my mouth. Nowhere do I express an opinion about Adria Richards herself. You say other things as well but I am not going to defend myself any further or hijack this thread more than I already have.

pekk 14y ago
You chose this. You chose to drag the Adria incident (unnamed) into an unrelated thread, perpetuating the toxic discussion (the one about Adria's incident) that you claim not to want to hear about. But you weren't responding to someone else here. You went there first. And you set the tone. You chose to open with 'I actually don't quite know what to think about "Women in Tech."' You chose to say that a part of you doesn't want to see women in tech at all. You didn't, for some reason, choose to reflect on whether this was rational or needed to be said publicly. You chose to say that you don't want to see articles "like this." Though this article isn't about anything offensive at all. You chose all of this. Neither your words, nor their inflammatory meaning, were made up by anyone else. Then you chose not to rethink or climb down from any of your inflammatory remarks. And you chose to respond to correction by escalating and getting personal. That attitude is the real problem that created the Adria mess. You are the same kind of person you are complaining about. And it has nothing necessarily to do with "women in tech." Please stop the oversensitive, resentful whining about others and take responsibility for your own choices.
- gosu 14y ago
  I find this dramatic rhetoric off-putting. OP seemed honest and nuanced. There might be a valid point to be made that his feelings are toxic to society, in some subtle way, but I'll just echo the other people here in saying that he comes off as constructive while you appear to be saying things that sound clever to you.

by SeanDav 14y ago

pekk 14y ago

You chose this. You chose to drag the Adria incident (unnamed) into an unrelated thread, perpetuating the toxic discussion (the one about Adria's incident) that you claim not to want to hear about. But you weren't responding to someone else here. You went there first. And you set the tone. You chose to open with 'I actually don't quite know what to think about "Women in Tech."' You chose to say that a part of you doesn't want to see women in tech at all. You didn't, for some reason, choose to reflect on whether this was rational or needed to be said publicly. You chose to say that you don't want to see articles "like this." Though this article isn't about anything offensive at all. You chose all of this. Neither your words, nor their inflammatory meaning, were made up by anyone else. Then you chose not to rethink or climb down from any of your inflammatory remarks. And you chose to respond to correction by escalating and getting personal. That attitude is the real problem that created the Adria mess. You are the same kind of person you are complaining about. And it has nothing necessarily to do with "women in tech." Please stop the oversensitive, resentful whining about others and take responsibility for your own choices.

gosu 14y ago
I find this dramatic rhetoric off-putting. OP seemed honest and nuanced. There might be a valid point to be made that his feelings are toxic to society, in some subtle way, but I'll just echo the other people here in saying that he comes off as constructive while you appear to be saying things that sound clever to you.