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He didn't say it was a nice part of him. He was just being honest.

pekk 14y ago
That is not an acceptable excuse for publicly saying that you wish women would not be in tech. It definitely doesn't make it any more rational to want to punish all women because you feel personally offended about the stupid actions of one person, which did not actually affect you in any way. If this pattern of feeling irrational resentments and using them to justify inflammatory public behavior is "just being honest" then Adria Richards was also "just being honest".
- obviouslygreen 14y ago
  Then people just shouldn't say what's on their minds? That's not a very good attitude to have if you want to gain any understanding at all of the actual state of the industry in terms of who believes what. Suppressing opinions doesn't get rid of them, but it does make them almost impossible to change, because you now have no idea not only what people think, but who holds opinions you consider worth challenging.
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  - edmccard 14y ago
    >Then people just shouldn't say what's on their minds? Well, there's "shouldn't because someone said so" and "shouldn't because it's counterproductive." So maybe not? >Suppressing opinions doesn't get rid of them Refraining from expressing them certainly helps prevent them from spreading; there are a lot of opinions about women, blacks, etc. that I would have never formed on my own if I hadn't heard them all the time from my father while I was growing up. One of the things that helped me to grow out of those opinions was simply to not repeat them, _especially_ if I was around people who might have reinforced the opinions by agreeing with them or "defending my right to have them".
- JonnieCache 14y ago
  I read it as a lament that an unhappy situation had provoked unhappy thoughts. The unhappiness of the thought serves as evidence of the unhappiness of the situation. But I agree that we should move on.
  - king_jester 14y ago
    So he is unhappy because he feels bad about women not wanting to be in tech? How exactly is that reassuring to women who know that this person takes a position that women do not belong in a space that should be open for everyone and that this person will probably end up enforcing that attitude (or at least others who share the same thinking and don't have an issue enforcing that attitude).

pekk 14y ago

That is not an acceptable excuse for publicly saying that you wish women would not be in tech. It definitely doesn't make it any more rational to want to punish all women because you feel personally offended about the stupid actions of one person, which did not actually affect you in any way. If this pattern of feeling irrational resentments and using them to justify inflammatory public behavior is "just being honest" then Adria Richards was also "just being honest".

obviouslygreen 14y ago
Then people just shouldn't say what's on their minds? That's not a very good attitude to have if you want to gain any understanding at all of the actual state of the industry in terms of who believes what. Suppressing opinions doesn't get rid of them, but it does make them almost impossible to change, because you now have no idea not only what people think, but who holds opinions you consider worth challenging.
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- edmccard 14y ago
  >Then people just shouldn't say what's on their minds? Well, there's "shouldn't because someone said so" and "shouldn't because it's counterproductive." So maybe not? >Suppressing opinions doesn't get rid of them Refraining from expressing them certainly helps prevent them from spreading; there are a lot of opinions about women, blacks, etc. that I would have never formed on my own if I hadn't heard them all the time from my father while I was growing up. One of the things that helped me to grow out of those opinions was simply to not repeat them, _especially_ if I was around people who might have reinforced the opinions by agreeing with them or "defending my right to have them".
JonnieCache 14y ago
I read it as a lament that an unhappy situation had provoked unhappy thoughts. The unhappiness of the thought serves as evidence of the unhappiness of the situation. But I agree that we should move on.
- king_jester 14y ago
  So he is unhappy because he feels bad about women not wanting to be in tech? How exactly is that reassuring to women who know that this person takes a position that women do not belong in a space that should be open for everyone and that this person will probably end up enforcing that attitude (or at least others who share the same thinking and don't have an issue enforcing that attitude).