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Read Ender's Shadow and you'll find an example where he doesn't treat homosexuality with respect or dignity.

fennecfoxen 14y ago
Could you provide more specifics here? There was a good amount of that book which wasn't to like, as it was inferior in quality to the other Ender-related works, so I wasn't paying the bestest of attention, and it's also been a while, but I didn't notice any overt incidents where the writing served to degrade the status of homosexuals as people, and I can't find any particular references on Google. (If you want to hear homosexuals and supporters of homosexuality degraded as illegitimate actors in the sociopolitical arena and the like, Card did a speech in 1990 which did that, which I'm sure you've seen, though the general public should be aware that claims that it's no longer an accurate representation of his views, which I guess is good because it's been like 23 years and anyone who sticks with an idea in one form exactly for 23 years either isn't much of a thinker or hasn't been paying any attention to reality). The closest I've found is someone's article writing about how Card generally doesn't depict homosexuals - or, for that matter, depict very much sex in general.
- tallanvor 14y ago
  There was a passage where I think Bean found Volescu, who strongly insinuates that he is gay even though he believes homosexuality is wrong. Sorry, I can't be much more specific about this - I only read the book once about 10 years ago and did not hang onto it when I moved abroad.
  - pavel_lishin 14y ago
    Volescu wasn't gay; the scientist Anton was the one for whom homosexuality was strongly implied. And while I see what you mean about him not really treating homosexuality with respect/dignity - spoiler alert, gay character marries a woman and decides that having children is the end-all final meaning of human civilization - he doesn't exactly demonize the character, either.

Could you provide more specifics here? There was a good amount of that book which wasn't to like, as it was inferior in quality to the other Ender-related works, so I wasn't paying the bestest of attention, and it's also been a while, but I didn't notice any overt incidents where the writing served to degrade the status of homosexuals as people, and I can't find any particular references on Google. (If you want to hear homosexuals and supporters of homosexuality degraded as illegitimate actors in the sociopolitical arena and the like, Card did a speech in 1990 which did that, which I'm sure you've seen, though the general public should be aware that claims that it's no longer an accurate representation of his views, which I guess is good because it's been like 23 years and anyone who sticks with an idea in one form exactly for 23 years either isn't much of a thinker or hasn't been paying any attention to reality). The closest I've found is someone's article writing about how Card generally doesn't depict homosexuals - or, for that matter, depict very much sex in general.

tallanvor 14y ago
There was a passage where I think Bean found Volescu, who strongly insinuates that he is gay even though he believes homosexuality is wrong. Sorry, I can't be much more specific about this - I only read the book once about 10 years ago and did not hang onto it when I moved abroad.
- pavel_lishin 14y ago
  Volescu wasn't gay; the scientist Anton was the one for whom homosexuality was strongly implied. And while I see what you mean about him not really treating homosexuality with respect/dignity - spoiler alert, gay character marries a woman and decides that having children is the end-all final meaning of human civilization - he doesn't exactly demonize the character, either.