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I want an example of a time when there was "vitriol" toward women in the tech industry. I've certainly never seen it.

by smackmybishop 14y ago

ceol 14y ago
Is this a joke? She just gave a bunch of them in her post.
- smackmybishop 14y ago
  Ah, someone "commented on her makeup" or "patted her on the head"? I've been asked to take notes in meetings from time to time, and I don't write blog posts about it...
  - rooshdi 14y ago
    Stop trolling.
  - ceol 14y ago
    I was about to quote the other parts of her post, but then I realized it's not worth the effort. If you don't acknowledge them after having presumably read the post, you're not going to do so when I quote them, and you'll probably throw some half-assed reasons as to why they don't meet the specific criteria of "vitriol" you had laid out in your head. Instead, I'd like to use your post as another piece of evidence of the problems women face in the tech and programming communities. Hopefully those who do have a chance of understanding will look at your comment and go, "Wow, I can't believe some guy would say such a stupid thing. Perhaps there is a problem..."
steveklabnik 14y ago
Were you not around last week or something?
- dictum 14y ago
  Steve, I'm sorry to mention this, but a few weeks ago you mocked someone's repo on Twitter. Incidentally, that person happened to be a woman. The personal attacks on Adria (death threats and all) are disgusting, but they're not the kind of thing that keeps women away from tech. It's the small discouragements, like the one you did when you mocked a stranger's repo (probably without knowing her gender) that keep women from thriving in tech. I'm really sorry for the ad hominem/tu quoque, but if you want to make tech a better field for women, you have to make some adjustments that can make it better for non-heterosexual people, people with disabilities, foreigners, etc... It's not enough to be open for women in tech: we should strive to be friendly to people who don't have the same level of proficiency, people with different tastes and opinions, and strangers. It's not a kid with a DDoS tool and a fake Twitter account who makes a women avoid a career in STEM. It's a well-meaning technologist accidentally being an asshole (http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2013-01-23-node http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2013-01-23-node). Actions trump words.
  - steveklabnik 14y ago
    I'm not referring to the men, I'm referring to the reaction to her. I had to report accounts to Twitter for sending her pictures of decapitated women, and posting her home address. As for that other situation, as you say, actions speak louder than words. I personally feel that the pluses are bigger than the minuses here, but this thread isn't about me.
  - smackmybishop 14y ago
    So, mocking someone without knowing their gender keeps women (and not men) out of tech. How does that make sense? I'm honestly curious.
    - tiredofcareer 14y ago
      Arguable Steve's actions would keep any novice out of tech, regardless of body parts. Which is a fairly plausible scenario since he didn't know her gender, as he said (I think). Important: Not saying she is a novice.
vacri 14y ago
Were you away from HN during the "PyCon Event"? It was only a couple of days ago, and was a startlingly clear example.
- GhotiFish 14y ago
  Was that vitriol against women? Or against a person?
  - vacri 14y ago
    Both.
- smackmybishop 14y ago
  I was here. "I'd fork his repo," right? That was "vitriol against women"?
  - vacri 14y ago
    Come on mate, don't come the raw prawn with me.
  - wpietri 14y ago
    No, the vitriol would be calling her a cunt, threatening rape, doxing her, threatening death, implying that she's hysterical, cheering her firing, etc, etc. I say that because the nice interpretation of what you say i that you genuinely missed most of the story. But it's hard not to think you're just being an ass.
shadowspar 14y ago
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents Fill your boots.

I want an example of a time when there was "vitriol" toward women in the tech industry. I've certainly never seen it.

ceol 14y ago

Is this a joke? She just gave a bunch of them in her post.

smackmybishop 14y ago
Ah, someone "commented on her makeup" or "patted her on the head"? I've been asked to take notes in meetings from time to time, and I don't write blog posts about it...
- rooshdi 14y ago
  Stop trolling.
- ceol 14y ago
  I was about to quote the other parts of her post, but then I realized it's not worth the effort. If you don't acknowledge them after having presumably read the post, you're not going to do so when I quote them, and you'll probably throw some half-assed reasons as to why they don't meet the specific criteria of "vitriol" you had laid out in your head. Instead, I'd like to use your post as another piece of evidence of the problems women face in the tech and programming communities. Hopefully those who do have a chance of understanding will look at your comment and go, "Wow, I can't believe some guy would say such a stupid thing. Perhaps there is a problem..."

steveklabnik 14y ago

Were you not around last week or something?

dictum 14y ago
Steve, I'm sorry to mention this, but a few weeks ago you mocked someone's repo on Twitter. Incidentally, that person happened to be a woman. The personal attacks on Adria (death threats and all) are disgusting, but they're not the kind of thing that keeps women away from tech. It's the small discouragements, like the one you did when you mocked a stranger's repo (probably without knowing her gender) that keep women from thriving in tech. I'm really sorry for the ad hominem/tu quoque, but if you want to make tech a better field for women, you have to make some adjustments that can make it better for non-heterosexual people, people with disabilities, foreigners, etc... It's not enough to be open for women in tech: we should strive to be friendly to people who don't have the same level of proficiency, people with different tastes and opinions, and strangers. It's not a kid with a DDoS tool and a fake Twitter account who makes a women avoid a career in STEM. It's a well-meaning technologist accidentally being an asshole (http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2013-01-23-node http://blog.steveklabnik.com/posts/2013-01-23-node). Actions trump words.
- steveklabnik 14y ago
  I'm not referring to the men, I'm referring to the reaction to her. I had to report accounts to Twitter for sending her pictures of decapitated women, and posting her home address. As for that other situation, as you say, actions speak louder than words. I personally feel that the pluses are bigger than the minuses here, but this thread isn't about me.
- smackmybishop 14y ago
  So, mocking someone without knowing their gender keeps women (and not men) out of tech. How does that make sense? I'm honestly curious.
  - tiredofcareer 14y ago
    Arguable Steve's actions would keep any novice out of tech, regardless of body parts. Which is a fairly plausible scenario since he didn't know her gender, as he said (I think). Important: Not saying she is a novice.

vacri 14y ago

Were you away from HN during the "PyCon Event"? It was only a couple of days ago, and was a startlingly clear example.

GhotiFish 14y ago
Was that vitriol against women? Or against a person?
- vacri 14y ago
  Both.
smackmybishop 14y ago
I was here. "I'd fork his repo," right? That was "vitriol against women"?
- vacri 14y ago
  Come on mate, don't come the raw prawn with me.
- wpietri 14y ago
  No, the vitriol would be calling her a cunt, threatening rape, doxing her, threatening death, implying that she's hysterical, cheering her firing, etc, etc. I say that because the nice interpretation of what you say i that you genuinely missed most of the story. But it's hard not to think you're just being an ass.

shadowspar 14y ago

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents Fill your boots.