7 ms·

It's becoming increasing clear that on HN you're a second class citizen if you don't use Chrome on a Mac and develop on RoR.

schrodinger 14y ago
That's not contributing anything of value. Offer advice if you've got it, otherwise I don't think theres a valid need to be snarky.
- frozenport 14y ago
  Says 'Add Comment" not 'Add Advice'. Also the advice is clear, don't use OS specific keys for the web.
slig 14y ago
Since when I signed up, ~1500 days ago, it was like this. Except everyone used Safari because FF was extremely laggy on OS X.
philfreo 14y ago
That's not true. Python is also acceptable.
- zackbloom 14y ago
  node is fine
yareally 14y ago
I think you're confusing popularity with exclusion. Doesn't bother me or make me feel like an outsider because I use Opera as my primary browser and mostly Linux/Windows PCs. It's all a frame of mind and such statements are not really needed on HN because it's really not true. I actually read the Rails articles quite a bit just because I like to not limit what I do or know to a small subset, even if I do not actively use it. Software does not come to other platforms unless one ports it, after all :) Disclaimer: not a RoR developer, but I do use Python.
- bjxrn 14y ago
  One of the main reasons I switched away from Opera was because so many neat little projects made with new HTML5 technologies would not work in Opera. This goes both for small side projects as well as business ventures. I do understand the lack of support for Opera, with it having just a tiny market share in the US, but it still is a form of exclusion. I'm glad Opera is switching to Webkit & V8 because besides the many websites breaking I found Opera to be much nicer to use than Chrome or Firefox.
  - yareally 14y ago
    Yeah, I'm kind of used to Opera not always working with everything that it does not phase me anymore after 10 years of use. If it's something I need to see Opera won't render, I either hack around it in Opera or just open Chromium. I also understand that Chrome is popular and many of the projects on hn are hacks put together for the developer and to show us what they do for fun and learning versus projects made for the masses, so I give leadway when things don't always work. Sometimes it's just a simple mistake and the developer is glad to fix it (like he did here [updated in the linked article] for anyone that did not have an Apple keyboard). Although we all have our favorites, most of us like to be accommodating if it does not require hours of additional personal time. I have all the large browsers installed though for web development, so I can always open something else if needed. I just can't move away from Opera, because of all the native power features I would have to give up or find extensions that may or may not work exactly the same and have future support by their developers. I can say though that unlike some sites I frequented in the past (such as slashdot), I have never had anyone on HN make snarky remarks about me being an Opera user, which is refreshing and quite the opposite of being excluded. I do think Webkit will help Opera in the long run as well, as long as they do not use it as a reason to throw away their long term commitment they have stuck with to keep backwards support for features and user interface elements. If they ditch most of that on the notion they can just tell users to use Chrome extensions, I would be truly sadden and have little reason to use Opera anymore. I'd probably end up forking Chromium in attempt to make it function like Opera once did and hope other former Opera users would help contribute via code commits along the way. That's just worst case thinking and I'm going to stay optimistic for now :) Not to get too off track though from the discussion, but the OP (above my original reply) is correct in that there is quite a bit of RoR and Apple upvoted articles (if that was his point), but there are many others in a variety of topics. Perhaps not everyone is as interested as I am about broadening my knowledge of various technologies whether I use them or not, but I think many of us on HN are. Since I don't follow RoR or Apple news that much, I don't mind seeing it, because it at least keeps me exposed to information I don't follow actively on my own.
asveikau 14y ago
Also, there is no such thing as an X desktop that isn't a default install of Ubuntu.
laureny 14y ago
DHH would certainly agree: http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/arc/000433.html http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/arc/000433.html
- recoiledsnake 14y ago
  Another gem http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3084-watching-apple-win-the-world http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3084-watching-apple-win-the-w...
piyush_soni 14y ago
This is shit, to say the least. Oh wait, you might have meant second class citizen in terms of money? May be, I don't care in that case.
camus 14y ago
but php bashing is an habit here.
p6v53as 14y ago
I was using chrome for many years, almost from the start. But switched to firefox a week ago, because my chrome started to feel more and more laggy, both on home and work computer. I'm not disappointed yet.

schrodinger 14y ago

That's not contributing anything of value. Offer advice if you've got it, otherwise I don't think theres a valid need to be snarky.

frozenport 14y ago
Says 'Add Comment" not 'Add Advice'. Also the advice is clear, don't use OS specific keys for the web.

slig 14y ago

Since when I signed up, ~1500 days ago, it was like this. Except everyone used Safari because FF was extremely laggy on OS X.

philfreo 14y ago

That's not true. Python is also acceptable.

zackbloom 14y ago
node is fine

yareally 14y ago

I think you're confusing popularity with exclusion. Doesn't bother me or make me feel like an outsider because I use Opera as my primary browser and mostly Linux/Windows PCs. It's all a frame of mind and such statements are not really needed on HN because it's really not true. I actually read the Rails articles quite a bit just because I like to not limit what I do or know to a small subset, even if I do not actively use it. Software does not come to other platforms unless one ports it, after all :) Disclaimer: not a RoR developer, but I do use Python.

bjxrn 14y ago
One of the main reasons I switched away from Opera was because so many neat little projects made with new HTML5 technologies would not work in Opera. This goes both for small side projects as well as business ventures. I do understand the lack of support for Opera, with it having just a tiny market share in the US, but it still is a form of exclusion. I'm glad Opera is switching to Webkit & V8 because besides the many websites breaking I found Opera to be much nicer to use than Chrome or Firefox.
- yareally 14y ago
  Yeah, I'm kind of used to Opera not always working with everything that it does not phase me anymore after 10 years of use. If it's something I need to see Opera won't render, I either hack around it in Opera or just open Chromium. I also understand that Chrome is popular and many of the projects on hn are hacks put together for the developer and to show us what they do for fun and learning versus projects made for the masses, so I give leadway when things don't always work. Sometimes it's just a simple mistake and the developer is glad to fix it (like he did here [updated in the linked article] for anyone that did not have an Apple keyboard). Although we all have our favorites, most of us like to be accommodating if it does not require hours of additional personal time. I have all the large browsers installed though for web development, so I can always open something else if needed. I just can't move away from Opera, because of all the native power features I would have to give up or find extensions that may or may not work exactly the same and have future support by their developers. I can say though that unlike some sites I frequented in the past (such as slashdot), I have never had anyone on HN make snarky remarks about me being an Opera user, which is refreshing and quite the opposite of being excluded. I do think Webkit will help Opera in the long run as well, as long as they do not use it as a reason to throw away their long term commitment they have stuck with to keep backwards support for features and user interface elements. If they ditch most of that on the notion they can just tell users to use Chrome extensions, I would be truly sadden and have little reason to use Opera anymore. I'd probably end up forking Chromium in attempt to make it function like Opera once did and hope other former Opera users would help contribute via code commits along the way. That's just worst case thinking and I'm going to stay optimistic for now :) Not to get too off track though from the discussion, but the OP (above my original reply) is correct in that there is quite a bit of RoR and Apple upvoted articles (if that was his point), but there are many others in a variety of topics. Perhaps not everyone is as interested as I am about broadening my knowledge of various technologies whether I use them or not, but I think many of us on HN are. Since I don't follow RoR or Apple news that much, I don't mind seeing it, because it at least keeps me exposed to information I don't follow actively on my own.

asveikau 14y ago

Also, there is no such thing as an X desktop that isn't a default install of Ubuntu.

laureny 14y ago

DHH would certainly agree: http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/arc/000433.html http://david.heinemeierhansson.com/arc/000433.html

recoiledsnake 14y ago
Another gem http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3084-watching-apple-win-the-world http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3084-watching-apple-win-the-w...

piyush_soni 14y ago

This is shit, to say the least. Oh wait, you might have meant second class citizen in terms of money? May be, I don't care in that case.

camus 14y ago

but php bashing is an habit here.

p6v53as 14y ago

I was using chrome for many years, almost from the start. But switched to firefox a week ago, because my chrome started to feel more and more laggy, both on home and work computer. I'm not disappointed yet.