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I feel a bit sorry for Firefox here. They're doing things right but they cannot really compete with Chrome on a equal footing because Chrome gets bundled with a

I feel a bit sorry for Firefox here. They're doing things right but they cannot really compete with Chrome on a equal footing because Chrome gets bundled with almost every Java and Flash update and those are installed on 99%+ of PCs. Not to mention being pushed on high traffic sites like Youtube and Gmail and being bundled with some PCs by paying the OEMs. I remember switching a lot of non-techie friends/family to Firefox but I see them using Chrome now. When I ask about Firefox the answer almost invariably is that they didn't know how Chrome got on their PC. Site owners get as much as $1 per Chrome download that they're able to push their visitors to. I don't think Firefox has these kinds of resources against Google trying to minimize how much they pay Firefox by cutting down the middle man and building a moat around their search engine and ad profits. The next good search engine to come by will certainly not be the default on a large percentage of browsers.

rtfeldman 14y ago
It's not as straightforward as "they're doing things right." As a Web developer I have all the major browsers installed, and even in that fair fight I prefer Chrome. There are certain things I like about FF better, but Chrome's minimalism really appeals to me. There are only two total rows of UI elements and each row contains only the bare essentials. I love that. I won't speculate on others' reasons for switching, and certainly bundling has served Chrome's market share well, but I can't really feel sorry Firefox is lagging when I don't even personally prefer it on the merits.
- bcj 14y ago
  For what it's worth, Firefox can have a pretty minimal UI: http://grab.by/kWSM http://grab.by/kWSM
- TheEskimo 14y ago
  Chrome's UI is also completely and totally inflexible. As you can see in this screenshot, http://i.imgur.com/D8rMRBa.png http://i.imgur.com/D8rMRBa.png , my firefox's UI takes up less space and is only two rows. Chrome has three rows (the close/max/min buttons, tabs, and navigation). There is no way on windows to reduce that top height. Firefox is flexible enough that you can trivially do what I have with only some simple css. The defaults for firefox are roughly as minimalistic as chrome too. Also, on my linux box my firefox is thinned down even more, while chrome just looks horribly out of place since you can't alter its appearance to closer match the native environment. I prefer firefox for quite a few reasons, but since you bring up the UI, that's the only one I'll mention here.
  - glitchdout 14y ago
    What windows is that? In windows 7 the tabs touch the top of the screen. You can't get any more minimal than that.
    - DanBC 14y ago
      On my Windows 7 there's a big huge bar behind the tabs. (This was also there on OS X, and that's worse because of the OS X menu bar which is unremovable) I really really want an easy way to squidge that background bar down a bit.
    - TheEskimo 14y ago
      This is windows 7. Notice that neither of them are maximized. The behavior you talk about only occurs when you maximize the window, not when it is "half-maximized" as shown.
  - progrock 14y ago
    Actually both browsers look out of place on my Linux box, because they deviate from the desktop theme. I'd rather they looked native. It's really window manager territory. I'm sick of the inconsistencies with tab control etc, accross applications. At the end of the day, both UIs are primitive. I'm of the believe that the browser can be so much move than a web page viewer.

rtfeldman 14y ago

It's not as straightforward as "they're doing things right." As a Web developer I have all the major browsers installed, and even in that fair fight I prefer Chrome. There are certain things I like about FF better, but Chrome's minimalism really appeals to me. There are only two total rows of UI elements and each row contains only the bare essentials. I love that. I won't speculate on others' reasons for switching, and certainly bundling has served Chrome's market share well, but I can't really feel sorry Firefox is lagging when I don't even personally prefer it on the merits.

bcj 14y ago
For what it's worth, Firefox can have a pretty minimal UI: http://grab.by/kWSM http://grab.by/kWSM
TheEskimo 14y ago
Chrome's UI is also completely and totally inflexible. As you can see in this screenshot, http://i.imgur.com/D8rMRBa.png http://i.imgur.com/D8rMRBa.png , my firefox's UI takes up less space and is only two rows. Chrome has three rows (the close/max/min buttons, tabs, and navigation). There is no way on windows to reduce that top height. Firefox is flexible enough that you can trivially do what I have with only some simple css. The defaults for firefox are roughly as minimalistic as chrome too. Also, on my linux box my firefox is thinned down even more, while chrome just looks horribly out of place since you can't alter its appearance to closer match the native environment. I prefer firefox for quite a few reasons, but since you bring up the UI, that's the only one I'll mention here.
- glitchdout 14y ago
  What windows is that? In windows 7 the tabs touch the top of the screen. You can't get any more minimal than that.
  - DanBC 14y ago
    On my Windows 7 there's a big huge bar behind the tabs. (This was also there on OS X, and that's worse because of the OS X menu bar which is unremovable) I really really want an easy way to squidge that background bar down a bit.
  - TheEskimo 14y ago
    This is windows 7. Notice that neither of them are maximized. The behavior you talk about only occurs when you maximize the window, not when it is "half-maximized" as shown.
- progrock 14y ago
  Actually both browsers look out of place on my Linux box, because they deviate from the desktop theme. I'd rather they looked native. It's really window manager territory. I'm sick of the inconsistencies with tab control etc, accross applications. At the end of the day, both UIs are primitive. I'm of the believe that the browser can be so much move than a web page viewer.