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Just threw $100 your way. I'm a big believer in this type of model and having you be a Django core contributor and South developer makes it a no brainer. Payi

Just threw $100 your way. I'm a big believer in this type of model and having you be a Django core contributor and South developer makes it a no brainer. Paying for quality open source is always a win in my book. Godspeed!

andrewgodwin 14y ago
Thanks a lot - your contribution is much appreciated! I hope this helps set a trend.
- clicks 14y ago
  I hope so too. Maybe this is the way we'll get good, solid Python3 support for Django, quickly. I'll be more than happy to fund (in part) efforts for getting work done on other Django plugins so they work with Python3. The Django book can do with a little concentrated focus too.
easytiger 14y ago
I am, on the other hand, not a fan of this investment model. Indeed I would go so far as to say I don't think it works nor does it make much sense. Especially in the open source world. I've been using django since 2006. This has been a suggestion since then. Why hasn't it been implemented if it is so necessary? It doesn't require a massive core shift, it doesn't even require that much work it seems? So why hasn't it been done with so many eyes on so well documented a platform on so accessible a language with so many commercial deployments? If no one has scratched this itch then paying for someone to scratch an itch you may think you are go Will the person be deprived of their normal source of income for exactly the time period required to do the work? How is that justified as a cost? Maybe they are a contractor who will take the time out. If that is the case how can there be expandable requirements (longer goal objectives for more money? It could be this whole thing sits very well with their day to day job, but in the western world that is unlikely. I'm sure all intentions are good but it also strikes me as a bit questionable to do these things when lots of other people have committed much more centrally to the project with little immediate remuneration.
- andrewgodwin 14y ago
  So the situation here is indeed interesting - I understand your concern. I've asked all the other core contributors to Django their opinions on this and there's been resounding support from them, so that's not a concern. I also have a day a week free for this, so there's no concern of this robbing income - that day a week was previously used for learning to fly, and now I'm done with that it needs to have something that pays in order to keep me going. If the choice for that is freelance or open source work, and they pay closely, you can bet I'm going for the open source work.
  - easytiger 14y ago
    Yea I appreciate the concerns I have may be total nonsense too! I see from your point of view its a great way to work on something cool/interesting/career boosting and also be payed for it. Heck I've got a list of about 13 projects that are roughly affiliated with my day job but because of whom i work for and the time I have free being used up for other much more frivolous things I havn't had a chance in a year. Perhaps it is just jealousy on my part :)
- flexie 14y ago
  I don't understand the concern. It's a real problem and if someone wanted to do it for free, they could have and would have. Here is a guy who offers to do it if he get's paid a minimum amount. Fine. No moral issues.
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    - Aloisius 14y ago
      The issue is that it arguably violates the spirit of open source. Open source software is meant to be free and available to everyone. The spirit of Open Source is free like speech, not like beer. Open Source, while often given away, has always been about empowering people to be able to hack on internals, not simply avoid paying money for things. I've paid real money for a lot of open source software for the decade and a half and done so happily.

andrewgodwin 14y ago

Thanks a lot - your contribution is much appreciated! I hope this helps set a trend.

clicks 14y ago
I hope so too. Maybe this is the way we'll get good, solid Python3 support for Django, quickly. I'll be more than happy to fund (in part) efforts for getting work done on other Django plugins so they work with Python3. The Django book can do with a little concentrated focus too.

easytiger 14y ago

I am, on the other hand, not a fan of this investment model. Indeed I would go so far as to say I don't think it works nor does it make much sense. Especially in the open source world. I've been using django since 2006. This has been a suggestion since then. Why hasn't it been implemented if it is so necessary? It doesn't require a massive core shift, it doesn't even require that much work it seems? So why hasn't it been done with so many eyes on so well documented a platform on so accessible a language with so many commercial deployments? If no one has scratched this itch then paying for someone to scratch an itch you may think you are go Will the person be deprived of their normal source of income for exactly the time period required to do the work? How is that justified as a cost? Maybe they are a contractor who will take the time out. If that is the case how can there be expandable requirements (longer goal objectives for more money? It could be this whole thing sits very well with their day to day job, but in the western world that is unlikely. I'm sure all intentions are good but it also strikes me as a bit questionable to do these things when lots of other people have committed much more centrally to the project with little immediate remuneration.

andrewgodwin 14y ago
So the situation here is indeed interesting - I understand your concern. I've asked all the other core contributors to Django their opinions on this and there's been resounding support from them, so that's not a concern. I also have a day a week free for this, so there's no concern of this robbing income - that day a week was previously used for learning to fly, and now I'm done with that it needs to have something that pays in order to keep me going. If the choice for that is freelance or open source work, and they pay closely, you can bet I'm going for the open source work.
- easytiger 14y ago
  Yea I appreciate the concerns I have may be total nonsense too! I see from your point of view its a great way to work on something cool/interesting/career boosting and also be payed for it. Heck I've got a list of about 13 projects that are roughly affiliated with my day job but because of whom i work for and the time I have free being used up for other much more frivolous things I havn't had a chance in a year. Perhaps it is just jealousy on my part :)
flexie 14y ago
I don't understand the concern. It's a real problem and if someone wanted to do it for free, they could have and would have. Here is a guy who offers to do it if he get's paid a minimum amount. Fine. No moral issues.
- deleted 14y ago
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  - Aloisius 14y ago
    The issue is that it arguably violates the spirit of open source. Open source software is meant to be free and available to everyone. The spirit of Open Source is free like speech, not like beer. Open Source, while often given away, has always been about empowering people to be able to hack on internals, not simply avoid paying money for things. I've paid real money for a lot of open source software for the decade and a half and done so happily.