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It's no different then telling women not to wear provocative clothing if they don't want to be raped Telling women that not wearing provocative clothing wil

It's no different then telling women not to wear provocative clothing if they don't want to be raped Telling women that not wearing provocative clothing will lower their chance of being raped is simply stating a truth. We wish it were otherwise, but it isn't. It's thus by definition sound advice and much more useful advice than stating "men shouldn't rape". Gee, thanks, the victim wasn't aware of that. Giving advice does not mean you agree with what necessitated the advice. It also does not mean that you think that if someone does not follow the advice, she deserves, morally or legally, anything that happens. Either of which you are currently arguing.

taejo 14y ago
> Telling women that not wearing provocative clothing will lower their chance of being raped is simply stating a truth. Source?
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  Seriously. Confusion's statement contradicts all my own reading, as well as comments from rape victims[1]/friends of rape victims. Rapists are usually not strangers looking to score. It's almost always someone the victim knows, and it's usually about power, not looks. [1] Survivor is a better word, but it was a clunky read when I tried it. I won't be bothered if you use it instead if you reply.
  - Confusion 14y ago
    I actually just thought it was a given[1], but it isn't relevant to my argument. Consider it replaced by "Telling women that not getting drunk will lower their chance of being raped" or "Telling women that not rejecting advances will lower their chance of being raped" or something else that you know is unfortunately true. [1] Even among 'friends' (acquaintances?), chances you will be hit on are higher when wearing 'less' and considering hitting-on-and-being-rejected is a common precursor to rape...
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    - jasonlotito 14y ago
      I honestly don't think those conclusions are accurate (factually). At least, I've not read anything that supports those conclusions. Anyways, I tried to address another commenters questions about my post, and address it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5424522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5424522

taejo 14y ago

> Telling women that not wearing provocative clothing will lower their chance of being raped is simply stating a truth. Source?

mkr-hn 14y ago
Seriously. Confusion's statement contradicts all my own reading, as well as comments from rape victims[1]/friends of rape victims. Rapists are usually not strangers looking to score. It's almost always someone the victim knows, and it's usually about power, not looks. [1] Survivor is a better word, but it was a clunky read when I tried it. I won't be bothered if you use it instead if you reply.
- Confusion 14y ago
  I actually just thought it was a given[1], but it isn't relevant to my argument. Consider it replaced by "Telling women that not getting drunk will lower their chance of being raped" or "Telling women that not rejecting advances will lower their chance of being raped" or something else that you know is unfortunately true. [1] Even among 'friends' (acquaintances?), chances you will be hit on are higher when wearing 'less' and considering hitting-on-and-being-rejected is a common precursor to rape...
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  - jasonlotito 14y ago
    I honestly don't think those conclusions are accurate (factually). At least, I've not read anything that supports those conclusions. Anyways, I tried to address another commenters questions about my post, and address it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5424522 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5424522