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Let's remember: she never asked for him to get fired. And I don't think that was a reasonably foreseeable outcome of her comments. The fact that he was fired

by rscale 14y ago

Let's remember: she never asked for him to get fired. And I don't think that was a reasonably foreseeable outcome of her comments. The fact that he was fired leads me to two probable conclusions: 1) that his management was terrible and he'll end up someplace better; or 2) that he was about to be fired anyway. If his management was terrible, it's not a sad story for him in the long-term. If they were going to fire him anyway, it's just blame-shifting. His reputation wasn't even meaningfully harmed, as his name doesn't seem to appear in any of the discussions. So if he's half-decent, he'll be fine. I find the whole thing very strange, because I sure as shit wouldn't fire a good employee just because they'd offended one person, once.

runewell 14y ago
It's not reasonable to assume negative outcomes for people you publicly display as "ass-hat" sexists to 9000+ of their peers?
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rdtsc 14y ago
Let's also not forget her job position -- she lives and breathes Twitter. 1000s of followers. To claim ignorance on her part about the outcome is a little disingenuous. Now the ultimate outcome is that she also got fired, here is where she miscalculated her risk. She didn't immediately react, she pondered her actions and weighed her risk according to her blog. I think she saw a golden opportunity and took, but got too greedy. Ultimately it was a classic sociopath move. > 2) that he was about to be fired anyway. That is why I want to hear more from PlayHeaven. Here is my question, why the heck send a shitty employee to PyCon. Usually top developers get to go, to learn and bring back new technology. If he was out of the door why spend money him. So I discard 2) and just assume 1) until further information (if any) comes out.
throwaway0321 14y ago
The PlayHaven employee was fired because of this event [1]. What led PlayHaven to conduct the investigation? Adria's tweet and blog post to thousands of followers. This isn't the first time she has used her considerable influence as a weapon[2]. [1]http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ [2]http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/ http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/ Edit: Changed a link.
dinkumthinkum 14y ago
Not a foreseeable outcome? Really? You don't think someone being fired is a foreseeable outcome after you attempt to publicly shame them? If so, I'm not sure you would be very good at "foreseeing" things!

by rscale 14y ago

runewell 14y ago

It's not reasonable to assume negative outcomes for people you publicly display as "ass-hat" sexists to 9000+ of their peers?

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rdtsc 14y ago

Let's also not forget her job position -- she lives and breathes Twitter. 1000s of followers. To claim ignorance on her part about the outcome is a little disingenuous. Now the ultimate outcome is that she also got fired, here is where she miscalculated her risk. She didn't immediately react, she pondered her actions and weighed her risk according to her blog. I think she saw a golden opportunity and took, but got too greedy. Ultimately it was a classic sociopath move. > 2) that he was about to be fired anyway. That is why I want to hear more from PlayHeaven. Here is my question, why the heck send a shitty employee to PyCon. Usually top developers get to go, to learn and bring back new technology. If he was out of the door why spend money him. So I discard 2) and just assume 1) until further information (if any) comes out.

throwaway0321 14y ago

The PlayHaven employee was fired because of this event [1]. What led PlayHaven to conduct the investigation? Adria's tweet and blog post to thousands of followers. This isn't the first time she has used her considerable influence as a weapon[2]. [1]http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ [2]http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/ http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/ Edit: Changed a link.

dinkumthinkum 14y ago

Not a foreseeable outcome? Really? You don't think someone being fired is a foreseeable outcome after you attempt to publicly shame them? If so, I'm not sure you would be very good at "foreseeing" things!