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Exactly, just two guys making forking jokes (get it?). Even Github sells merch with the words "Fork you". Zealous oversensitive jaded person like her, taking h
by seivan 14y ago
Exactly, just two guys making forking jokes (get it?).
Even Github sells merch with the words "Fork you".
Zealous oversensitive jaded person like her, taking her time to get the phone out, take a picture, possible geo-tagged of two guys who might not want to be on her Twitter.
She has no right to do that. Especially when there was no communication between them. You don't like their jokes, tell them or move away.
Looking at her tweets, she likes to increase her branding, I can see replies where the @username is a part of the sentence so it's a more public tweet, than when @ is at the start of the sentence.
Calling people for bullies.
People like that are hard to be around, constantly tip toe.
There's a difference between being sexist, and just having crude humour about genitalia and intercourse.
- incongruity 14y agoI'd even offer "contact conference organizers in a non-public way if you don't feel comfortable confronting the other person directly". Some people have a hard time addressing these issues directly – particularly when in the minority (by gender, in this case). It happens, and I'm not going to judge it. The issue here isn't that she was offended, but, rather, that she went from 0 to 100% full-on public on a well-trafficked twitter feed. She certainly skipped a few steps in the ladder of escalation, sure, but I think she had options other than just those you present. Just say'n.
- mtrimpe 14y agoI'm just disappointed that this is the top thread, since it's basically little more than a cheap ad-hominem attack and doesn't contribute anything to resolving or working towards a better understanding of the underlying issues that have caused this all to escalate so badly.
- mtrimpe 14y agoDo you know Adria personally? Saying that "We got an unstable, hypocritical, oversensitive jaded person out of our way. I think this was a win." without knowing her personally would be ... well ... not exactly OK.
- powertower 14y agoIn her blog post about this, she was likening herself to Joan of Arc over this event. And that was just the beginning. Too bad that website is down.
- ceol 14y agoI'd like to see anyone take this level of vitriol and be completely level-headed. I would start stockpiling food, because apparently Jesus Christ has come back and the End Times are here.
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- FireBeyond 14y agoHer Joan of Arc screed was in her initial blog post - there was no vitriol until then. Chicken and egg.
- ceol 14y agoHer initial blog post isn't what caused this. She was featured on Hacker News before she wrote it.
- dinkumthinkum 14y agoThis is an interesting take on the subject: https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/ https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/
- taligent 14y ago> People like that are hard to be around, constantly tip toe. It really isn't. Most of us that actually work in a professional environment aren't making crude jokes about sexual topics. And we sure as hell are on our best behaviour at offsite events. Clearly this is a foreign concept to you.
- dinkumthinkum 14y agoBest behavior at offsite events... There's nothing inherently wrong with this and perhaps hard to argue with; however, it just seems like something a cog in a wheel would say ... nothing mean spirited intended, just rubs me the wrong way. :)
- seivan 14y agoI'm with you there, was sorta dronish.
- seivan 14y agoOh really? Well the question is, I am currently not sure how the person in question would react to a "Fork you" shirt. So...... that's the problem, that was my point. Where is the line? Because apparently that triggered. But somehow, "example" is a foreign concept to you, since you sorta got stuck on the "crude joke" portion. Way to go to miss the whole point.
- taligent 14y agoThe "line" for professional conduct is really simple. If you are thinking about doing something ask yourself this question, "Would I do this if the CEO of our company was standing next to me".
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- jsmeaton 14y agoMy CEO? Absolutely. If I worked at another company, probably not. You have to judge the company you're in, and if someone takes offence, apologise, and be more mindful next time.
- larrys 14y ago"She has no right to do that." Perhaps better way to phrase that is that she has every right to do that but then has to understand the consequences and ramifications of her actions at least job wise. In this case sendgrid apparently has updated their code of conduct. But not every situation can be spelled out (because it hasn't happened yet).
- base698 14y agoWhat happened was bad taste to be sure, but it isn't sexism. If they made a comment asking why all the women in the audience aren't bringing them beer that would be sexist. Using sexual language is not by itself sufficient for sexism. It is bad taste and an argument could be made it should be rooted out in a professional environment, but it shouldn't be confused with actual sexism. Sexism: Belief one of the sexes can inherently not do a task due to their sex (write code, vote, make brownies). Bad taste: Abercrombie ads, Fork You shirts, South Park, Maxim.
- mbillie1 14y agoAbercrombie ads and Maxim are like South Park and Github merch? There are degrees of bad taste, you know...
- seivan 14y agoI agree, you can't put South Park there, makes me think all the satirical points just went above your head. Have you actually seen an episode and get the point of the episode it makes (usually at the end by either Stanley or Kyle) But then again I'd even go so far and put Abercrombie under racism. You seen their Singaporean ads?
- jbooth 14y agoThe difference between south park's jokes and the dongle jokes is that south park is generally funny. The amazing thing about this situation is that if the guy's jokes were funnier, they'd probably have gone over better. You could spin it as he was fired because his dick jokes weren't funny enough.
- trhtrsh 14y agoI think you'll find that a major part of South Park's popularity is not its satire, but its juvenile humor.
- pukka_my 14y agoActually, it is sexist to believe that it's ok to make comments of a sexual nature if they are likely to lead to members of the audience feeling uncomfortable or offended. Sexism is not just skill-related, it's the attitude that the opinions, feelings or actions of one gender are somehow inherently inferior or less important than those of another and expressing that attitude through your own actions or words. Intentionality has nothing to do with it; sexism is often implicit or so internalized that people (especially but not exclusively men) fail to realize when they are in fact acting in a sexist manner. A little self-reflection might help here . . .