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oh god, i didn't know that the vaunted pycon code of conduct is based on the example policy from the ada project. the ada project was behind another recent sex

oh god, i didn't know that the vaunted pycon code of conduct is based on the example policy from the ada project. the ada project was behind another recent sexism scandal involving a harm reduction presentation meant to be given by violet blue [1]. [1] http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-...

mpyne 14y ago
Val Aurora (and Matthew Garrett) are also involved in some kind of Shun Project against Ted T'so, as best as I can tell it's because of the savage crime on his part of saying that it's possible that some forms of sexual assault and rape are worse than others (e.g. being touched while drunk vs. being violently gang-raped in a bus). One of Ted's actual examples was that of two extremely drunk individuals, where he asked that if a drunk female does not have the mental ability to knowingly consent, does the drunk male have the mental ability to knowingly rape the female? And how do we know who raped who? [1]. He goes further into territory I don't personally agree with (talking about shifting some responsibility onto a party that has been drinking) but even there that's at least consistent with the treatment of other situations involving consumption of alcohol. While it's probably insensitive to talk about like that, I'm even more scared of those who try to turn policy and ethics debates like that into "my way or the highway" topics by turning every opposing viewpoint into thoughtcrime. Certainly sexual assault of any type should not be tolerated, but should a conference organizer report all types of sexual assault that occur at a conference only as a flat "rape", or is it OK to split into further categories? And how can you sanely debate policy at all when you will simply be silenced if your opinion does not conform? More details: http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/ http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-t... http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2012/10/29/the-linux-community-cant-remain-silent-while-leaders-make-anti-woman-comments/ http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2012/10/29/the-linux-community... [1] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list/Email_2 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_maili...

mpyne 14y ago

Val Aurora (and Matthew Garrett) are also involved in some kind of Shun Project against Ted T'so, as best as I can tell it's because of the savage crime on his part of saying that it's possible that some forms of sexual assault and rape are worse than others (e.g. being touched while drunk vs. being violently gang-raped in a bus). One of Ted's actual examples was that of two extremely drunk individuals, where he asked that if a drunk female does not have the mental ability to knowingly consent, does the drunk male have the mental ability to knowingly rape the female? And how do we know who raped who? [1]. He goes further into territory I don't personally agree with (talking about shifting some responsibility onto a party that has been drinking) but even there that's at least consistent with the treatment of other situations involving consumption of alcohol. While it's probably insensitive to talk about like that, I'm even more scared of those who try to turn policy and ethics debates like that into "my way or the highway" topics by turning every opposing viewpoint into thoughtcrime. Certainly sexual assault of any type should not be tolerated, but should a conference organizer report all types of sexual assault that occur at a conference only as a flat "rape", or is it OK to split into further categories? And how can you sanely debate policy at all when you will simply be silenced if your opinion does not conform? More details: http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/ http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-t... http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2012/10/29/the-linux-community-cant-remain-silent-while-leaders-make-anti-woman-comments/ http://blog.valerieaurora.org/2012/10/29/the-linux-community... [1] http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list/Email_2 http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_maili...