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"See you next year." Understood meaning: I am right, you are wrong, you are eating crow; after I publicly bullied you and got you fired, you are not getting awa

by pekk 14y ago

"See you next year." Understood meaning: I am right, you are wrong, you are eating crow; after I publicly bullied you and got you fired, you are not getting away from me.

untog 14y ago
What? I'm sorry, but if you can interpret a phrase like "See you next year" in that way then it might be worth speaking to a professional.
- eropple 14y ago
  I'm of two minds here. Normally, I would agree that it's an innocuous thing to say; I mean, I use the phrase all the time at conferences! That said, I am not so sanguine here; between Ms. Richards's bad faith actions (and you may disagree that she dealt with them in bad faith and that's fine) and her non-apology (I think this is fairly inarguable), I think that it's not unreasonable to infer a negative connotation to the phrase. Especially if you look at it from that dude's perspective, where a not-unreasonable reading might be "she started a massive shitstorm over a joke that could offend a hypothetical person and now I'm fired and why would I ever want to see her again?". Context does matter.
  - itsprofitbaron 14y ago
    FWIW I think that the "See you next year" comment was in response to the fact that he (the guy who was fired) said he will be at pycon in 2014[1] and before stating his side of the story, he said that he defended her position[1]: "First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position" [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 (As I mentioned earlier this also includes his side of the story)
    - eropple 14y ago
      Yeah, I read it it the first time it came up. Doesn't really change how it reads to me; IMO at least it becomes so ridiculously difficult to not dig an even deeper hole that comments like that really can't be taken at face value. Maybe he's the rare exception for which it is, but on the occasions where I've had to eat dirt for a screwup like that I'm pretty sure I wasn't thinking "man, I hope I see this person again!". Or maybe I'm the weird one. Who knows? =) (EDIT: I'd also like to note that that is a pretty well-written apology. It's also, you know, an apology. Which Ms. Richards's is not; hers is more of a "non-apology apology", an "I'm sorry that you X" which we really, really need to stamp out as a "thing". Good on him.)

by pekk 14y ago

"See you next year." Understood meaning: I am right, you are wrong, you are eating crow; after I publicly bullied you and got you fired, you are not getting away from me.

untog 14y ago

What? I'm sorry, but if you can interpret a phrase like "See you next year" in that way then it might be worth speaking to a professional.

eropple 14y ago
I'm of two minds here. Normally, I would agree that it's an innocuous thing to say; I mean, I use the phrase all the time at conferences! That said, I am not so sanguine here; between Ms. Richards's bad faith actions (and you may disagree that she dealt with them in bad faith and that's fine) and her non-apology (I think this is fairly inarguable), I think that it's not unreasonable to infer a negative connotation to the phrase. Especially if you look at it from that dude's perspective, where a not-unreasonable reading might be "she started a massive shitstorm over a joke that could offend a hypothetical person and now I'm fired and why would I ever want to see her again?". Context does matter.
- itsprofitbaron 14y ago
  FWIW I think that the "See you next year" comment was in response to the fact that he (the guy who was fired) said he will be at pycon in 2014[1] and before stating his side of the story, he said that he defended her position[1]: "First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position" [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 (As I mentioned earlier this also includes his side of the story)
  - eropple 14y ago
    Yeah, I read it it the first time it came up. Doesn't really change how it reads to me; IMO at least it becomes so ridiculously difficult to not dig an even deeper hole that comments like that really can't be taken at face value. Maybe he's the rare exception for which it is, but on the occasions where I've had to eat dirt for a screwup like that I'm pretty sure I wasn't thinking "man, I hope I see this person again!". Or maybe I'm the weird one. Who knows? =) (EDIT: I'd also like to note that that is a pretty well-written apology. It's also, you know, an apology. Which Ms. Richards's is not; hers is more of a "non-apology apology", an "I'm sorry that you X" which we really, really need to stamp out as a "thing". Good on him.)