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I don't really understand the general surprise here over her dismissal. 1) She was effectively a glorified PR person (Developer Evangelist) who went on to call

I don't really understand the general surprise here over her dismissal. 1) She was effectively a glorified PR person (Developer Evangelist) who went on to call people asshats on twitter on some personal crusade, whilst bringing massive negative publicity to the company she is supposed to represent: "Hey @mundanematt, it's clear from the last 24 hours you're a bully. @SendGrid supports me. Stop trolling." 2) She drags the discussion down to one of racism because someone uses the word lynching in a completely different context. 3) She refuses to express any apology or remorse even after it excalates to the firing of people and a sincere apology from the person involved. I can't really say I'm shocked the company has let go this person they are paying to bridge a positive relationship with developers.

danso 14y ago
The surprise is that she was fired so quickly and in the middle of a crippling DDOS attack. What startup has the resources to effectively adjudicate a sensitive, sensationalized personnel matter while the goddamn building is on fire? The profanity isn't directed at you: I'm trying to simulate what I think the DEFCON level should be within SendGrid today. If she was thrown out in hopes of appeasing the DDOSers, that may be a first. And because the nature of the episode involved discrimination, they could have very well opened themselves to a lawsuit if they didn't word their internal communique carefully. And, as I said, who has the ability to carefully adjudicate matters when the building is on fire?
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- gre 14y ago
  Who thinks ddos is reason to fire her? Coming to that conclusion involves terrible reasoning.
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- wakaflaka 14y ago
  Because the ops people do HR as well?
  - danso 14y ago
    Even in large companies, hiring and firing is not solely in the domain of the HR department. Firing decisions usually involve at least the employee's direct superior. Given that SendGrid is a small company, and that this employee was involved in a very public controversy, I imagine that the executive team also had to weigh in on the matter. Because the controversy involved an allegation of sexism, a prudent company would also bring in a lawyer. Besides the usual covering-the-bases needed when firing anyone, you have an employee who believes she acted to stop sexual harassment. She could very well try to frame the firing as something that stems from gender discrimination. Oh yeah, you also want to talk to the employee herself. So, trying to get what is at least 5 to 6 different people on the same page and in meetings takes time, logistically, to schedule. Nevermind the time it takes to investigate the matter and doublecheck the facts and have give-and-take debates about it. You really think that when a enterprise company like SendGrid goes under attack, only the ops people are the ones up late at night? Don't you think the executives and customer relations have some weight to pull? All of the above factors make it difficult to believe that the firing took place after a deliberate, thorough process in the span of two days. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely enough that no one can be blamed for being skeptical or surprised.
paranoiacblack 14y ago
> She drags the discussion down to one of racism because someone uses the word lynching in a completely different context. If you're going to tell me that lynching does not have racist undertones, you need to qualify it.
- ramblerman 14y ago
  Microsoft Architect Steve Marx tweeted on the issue with: This is truly getting out of hand … (I mean the lynching, not the jokes.) --- To which she bravely responded: and I'm upset I had to listen to the stuff behind me yesterday. I'm Black. Has anyone in your family been ever encountered lynching?" And @smarx Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is
  - andypants 14y ago
    And it reads like Steve Marx was supporting her too. I can't believe her response! I imagine she misunderstood, from reading so many insults on twitter.
  - SallySinep 14y ago
    That's not bravery. It's just cheap anti-intellectualism.
    - RyanZAG 14y ago
      He cough cough was being sarcastic about the bravery bit.
      - SallySinep 14y ago
        Thanks. It's been hard to tell sometimes, in this thread.
- Snowda 14y ago
  From the Oxford dictionary website: Definition of lynch verb [with object] (of a group of people) kill (someone) for an alleged offence without a legal trial, especially by hanging While I do realize that there are certain connotations in America as it being aimed towards African Americans, as a non American my understanding of it has always been that it is not an act aimed at a specific race. Rather a group enacting their own law without trial usually because standard legal proceedings would be viewed as a forgone failure due to lack of evidence etc. which the group would not find satisfying.
vacri 14y ago
One thing everyone needs to remember is that this event hasn't occurred in a vacuum. The man who was fired from playhaven may have already been on notice for other actions or poor performance. Similarly Sendgrid may have already had Richards on thin ice before the incident. We can't know for sure, but we can't assume that any of these actions are solely due to the inflamed internet.

danso 14y ago

The surprise is that she was fired so quickly and in the middle of a crippling DDOS attack. What startup has the resources to effectively adjudicate a sensitive, sensationalized personnel matter while the goddamn building is on fire? The profanity isn't directed at you: I'm trying to simulate what I think the DEFCON level should be within SendGrid today. If she was thrown out in hopes of appeasing the DDOSers, that may be a first. And because the nature of the episode involved discrimination, they could have very well opened themselves to a lawsuit if they didn't word their internal communique carefully. And, as I said, who has the ability to carefully adjudicate matters when the building is on fire?

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gre 14y ago
Who thinks ddos is reason to fire her? Coming to that conclusion involves terrible reasoning.
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wakaflaka 14y ago
Because the ops people do HR as well?
- danso 14y ago
  Even in large companies, hiring and firing is not solely in the domain of the HR department. Firing decisions usually involve at least the employee's direct superior. Given that SendGrid is a small company, and that this employee was involved in a very public controversy, I imagine that the executive team also had to weigh in on the matter. Because the controversy involved an allegation of sexism, a prudent company would also bring in a lawyer. Besides the usual covering-the-bases needed when firing anyone, you have an employee who believes she acted to stop sexual harassment. She could very well try to frame the firing as something that stems from gender discrimination. Oh yeah, you also want to talk to the employee herself. So, trying to get what is at least 5 to 6 different people on the same page and in meetings takes time, logistically, to schedule. Nevermind the time it takes to investigate the matter and doublecheck the facts and have give-and-take debates about it. You really think that when a enterprise company like SendGrid goes under attack, only the ops people are the ones up late at night? Don't you think the executives and customer relations have some weight to pull? All of the above factors make it difficult to believe that the firing took place after a deliberate, thorough process in the span of two days. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely enough that no one can be blamed for being skeptical or surprised.

paranoiacblack 14y ago

> She drags the discussion down to one of racism because someone uses the word lynching in a completely different context. If you're going to tell me that lynching does not have racist undertones, you need to qualify it.

ramblerman 14y ago
Microsoft Architect Steve Marx tweeted on the issue with: This is truly getting out of hand … (I mean the lynching, not the jokes.) --- To which she bravely responded: and I'm upset I had to listen to the stuff behind me yesterday. I'm Black. Has anyone in your family been ever encountered lynching?" And @smarx Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is
- andypants 14y ago
  And it reads like Steve Marx was supporting her too. I can't believe her response! I imagine she misunderstood, from reading so many insults on twitter.
- SallySinep 14y ago
  That's not bravery. It's just cheap anti-intellectualism.
  - RyanZAG 14y ago
    He cough cough was being sarcastic about the bravery bit.
    - SallySinep 14y ago
      Thanks. It's been hard to tell sometimes, in this thread.
Snowda 14y ago
From the Oxford dictionary website: Definition of lynch verb [with object] (of a group of people) kill (someone) for an alleged offence without a legal trial, especially by hanging While I do realize that there are certain connotations in America as it being aimed towards African Americans, as a non American my understanding of it has always been that it is not an act aimed at a specific race. Rather a group enacting their own law without trial usually because standard legal proceedings would be viewed as a forgone failure due to lack of evidence etc. which the group would not find satisfying.

vacri 14y ago

One thing everyone needs to remember is that this event hasn't occurred in a vacuum. The man who was fired from playhaven may have already been on notice for other actions or poor performance. Similarly Sendgrid may have already had Richards on thin ice before the incident. We can't know for sure, but we can't assume that any of these actions are solely due to the inflamed internet.