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Anonymous Gets Into The Pycon Incident

25 points by nashequilibrium 14y ago

bluehat 14y ago
This is possibly one of the best things that could happen to Sendgrid, as it is likely to generate public sympathy.
res0nat0r 14y ago
These idiotic harassment and anonymous lynch mobs don't do anything to fix the situation.
- mayneack 14y ago
  They do about as much to prevent the situation as the twitter shaming does to prevent lewd jokes.
jrajav 14y ago
Ah, finally a voice of measured reason. Oh wait.
softbuilder 14y ago
I can't really explain it, but this doesn't read like the "voice" of Anonymous. I realize that there isn't supposed to be a single voice, but they usually have a flavor that is missing here. Can't anyone just claim to be Anonymous?
- petercooper 14y ago
  That's probably why it says "I do not represent, speak for, nor am associated with Anonymous" in the post.
  - softbuilder 14y ago
    Ah, thank you. I never made it that far. My eyes were rolling too much, I had to stop reading.
akinder 14y ago
What a pretentious load of shit.
nemo1618 14y ago
What a bunch of juvenile retaliatory bullshit. It's an unfortunate situation, but "raiding" is NOT the appropriate response. Adria made a mistake and these people want to destroy her life over it. Don't they see the irony in that, given the nature of her offense?
lewisflude 14y ago
It's hard to work out whether this is actually the voice of anonymous or just an individual upset by the unfortunate turn of events.
- fudged71 14y ago
  The distinction is whether or not there is an audience. If people believe that it is anonymous, then it is the voice of anonymous. Getting the internet mad about the statement is what fuels them to put words into actions, which is why they're best to ignore. They may have a unified voice for large campaigns, but for smaller shit like this it's just a random person volunteering a press release.
tzakrajs 14y ago
This seems really petty, even for Anonymous.
jrajav 14y ago
I'd like to suggest that we flag and not upvote this. Someone who would do something spectacularly idiotic like this has given up their pass for reasonable discourse and does not deserve attention on their words.
- benev 14y ago
  People aren't up-voting it because they support the action, but because it's relevant. After all, many HN readers are either sendgrid customers, or users of services that are. Whatever the rights and wrong of the situation are, it's an important development to a lot of people.
  - fudged71 14y ago
    No, a statement from anonymous is not a development. It's whether people are sharing and reading it that fuels them to carry through with their plans. The only news is if they have actually gotten the information they say they have, and if they actually harass people. Beyond that it's just words. Don't feed the trolls.
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neya 14y ago
It's a very mixed opinion from Anonymous, the first paragraph about Adria being an extremist is very fair and direct. Adria DID over-hear a PRIVATE conversation that wasn't meant for her, took a photo of two individuals WITHOUT their permission and posted it to her twitter account, accusing them of harassment. What Adria has done to the feminism community is not justice, but damage. The whole point of feminism is about bringing equality - That there should exist no discernible separation lines between both the genders. But what Adria has done is made sure the males in future are extra-careful and scared of their female counter-parts when in a professional event, which itself is a terrible, subtle kind of discrimination. As a matter of fact, searching on Twitter reveals that many women do agree with this - She has damaged feminism, more than doing anything good. I can only imagine the outrage of the same incident inverted - had those two men taken a photo of her and shared it on their Twitter accounts and had Adria been offended, the situation would be totally different and both these men would have been brought down their knees, this soft attitude towards Adria for violating someone else's privacy by itself is a sexist approach IMO. I think, we all need to maintain a strict platform for justice - Don't be too soft on a woman because she's a woman, at the same time, don't be too hard on a man because he's a man and vice-versa. Regardless of gender, I believe justice should be served. As a matter of fact, Adria has been deleting comments on her blog about people who tried to bring up a sexist remark that she made, yet she got away with (you can search for her name on twitter and can confirm this). What Anonymous is doing here is a bit extremist in my opinion - Bringing down a whole company because they stood behind a dishonest employee and failed to offer any fairness or justification on their part. But, maybe if they were doing something illegal, I think they might as well go down. And I hope this serves as a very valuable lesson for others in the tech as well - Be it males or femals, to follow the path of righteousness instead of hating one another and waiting for a moment to simply bring the other gender to shame. God, I just hope that there will be a day when I can sit next to a person and sit beside them and talk to them like a normal person without imposing restrictions on myself on my behaviour, appearance / characteristics instead of constantly trying to be aware that I am talking to {gender} instead of a person which is the situation as of now.
pixelbeat 14y ago
Seems to have had the desired effect? https://www.facebook.com/SendGrid/posts/10151502570463967 https://www.facebook.com/SendGrid/posts/10151502570463967

bluehat 14y ago

This is possibly one of the best things that could happen to Sendgrid, as it is likely to generate public sympathy.

res0nat0r 14y ago

These idiotic harassment and anonymous lynch mobs don't do anything to fix the situation.

mayneack 14y ago
They do about as much to prevent the situation as the twitter shaming does to prevent lewd jokes.

jrajav 14y ago

Ah, finally a voice of measured reason. Oh wait.

softbuilder 14y ago

I can't really explain it, but this doesn't read like the "voice" of Anonymous. I realize that there isn't supposed to be a single voice, but they usually have a flavor that is missing here. Can't anyone just claim to be Anonymous?

petercooper 14y ago
That's probably why it says "I do not represent, speak for, nor am associated with Anonymous" in the post.
- softbuilder 14y ago
  Ah, thank you. I never made it that far. My eyes were rolling too much, I had to stop reading.

akinder 14y ago

What a pretentious load of shit.

nemo1618 14y ago

What a bunch of juvenile retaliatory bullshit. It's an unfortunate situation, but "raiding" is NOT the appropriate response. Adria made a mistake and these people want to destroy her life over it. Don't they see the irony in that, given the nature of her offense?

lewisflude 14y ago

It's hard to work out whether this is actually the voice of anonymous or just an individual upset by the unfortunate turn of events.

fudged71 14y ago
The distinction is whether or not there is an audience. If people believe that it is anonymous, then it is the voice of anonymous. Getting the internet mad about the statement is what fuels them to put words into actions, which is why they're best to ignore. They may have a unified voice for large campaigns, but for smaller shit like this it's just a random person volunteering a press release.

tzakrajs 14y ago

This seems really petty, even for Anonymous.

jrajav 14y ago

I'd like to suggest that we flag and not upvote this. Someone who would do something spectacularly idiotic like this has given up their pass for reasonable discourse and does not deserve attention on their words.

benev 14y ago
People aren't up-voting it because they support the action, but because it's relevant. After all, many HN readers are either sendgrid customers, or users of services that are. Whatever the rights and wrong of the situation are, it's an important development to a lot of people.
- fudged71 14y ago
  No, a statement from anonymous is not a development. It's whether people are sharing and reading it that fuels them to carry through with their plans. The only news is if they have actually gotten the information they say they have, and if they actually harass people. Beyond that it's just words. Don't feed the trolls.

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neya 14y ago

It's a very mixed opinion from Anonymous, the first paragraph about Adria being an extremist is very fair and direct. Adria DID over-hear a PRIVATE conversation that wasn't meant for her, took a photo of two individuals WITHOUT their permission and posted it to her twitter account, accusing them of harassment. What Adria has done to the feminism community is not justice, but damage. The whole point of feminism is about bringing equality - That there should exist no discernible separation lines between both the genders. But what Adria has done is made sure the males in future are extra-careful and scared of their female counter-parts when in a professional event, which itself is a terrible, subtle kind of discrimination. As a matter of fact, searching on Twitter reveals that many women do agree with this - She has damaged feminism, more than doing anything good. I can only imagine the outrage of the same incident inverted - had those two men taken a photo of her and shared it on their Twitter accounts and had Adria been offended, the situation would be totally different and both these men would have been brought down their knees, this soft attitude towards Adria for violating someone else's privacy by itself is a sexist approach IMO. I think, we all need to maintain a strict platform for justice - Don't be too soft on a woman because she's a woman, at the same time, don't be too hard on a man because he's a man and vice-versa. Regardless of gender, I believe justice should be served. As a matter of fact, Adria has been deleting comments on her blog about people who tried to bring up a sexist remark that she made, yet she got away with (you can search for her name on twitter and can confirm this). What Anonymous is doing here is a bit extremist in my opinion - Bringing down a whole company because they stood behind a dishonest employee and failed to offer any fairness or justification on their part. But, maybe if they were doing something illegal, I think they might as well go down. And I hope this serves as a very valuable lesson for others in the tech as well - Be it males or femals, to follow the path of righteousness instead of hating one another and waiting for a moment to simply bring the other gender to shame. God, I just hope that there will be a day when I can sit next to a person and sit beside them and talk to them like a normal person without imposing restrictions on myself on my behaviour, appearance / characteristics instead of constantly trying to be aware that I am talking to {gender} instead of a person which is the situation as of now.

pixelbeat 14y ago

Seems to have had the desired effect? https://www.facebook.com/SendGrid/posts/10151502570463967 https://www.facebook.com/SendGrid/posts/10151502570463967