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> It would have been better for Adria Richards to address the matter directly rather than post a photo on twitter This isn't a case of "it would have been bett
by Zikes 14y ago
> It would have been better for Adria Richards to address the matter directly rather than post a photo on twitter
This isn't a case of "it would have been better", it was a case of "what she did was clearly wrong". She overreacted as did the man's employer, and she has not shown any remorse.
> But the extreme outburst of misogyny - the insults, abuse, and physical threats including threats of rape - is perhaps the biggest learning opportunity of all: the opportunity for an entire community to recognize that it is still dysfunctional in terms of gender equality.
I haven't seen here on HN any of the insults, abuse, or threats you mentioned, nor have I made any myself. Do not blame all of us just because a vocal minority have gotten out of hand, and certainly do not use it as a tool to shame us into silence and shut down what is so far a reasoned discussion on the matter.
- mkr-hn 14y agoThis is very familiar to me, because it happens any time a woman complains about something at a convention, even if directly to officials (meaning not publicly): https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%40adriarichards&src=typd https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%40adriarichards&s... There are many level-headed comments in there on both sides, but also plenty of violent and hateful comments. It doesn't matter whether the report is private or public--the subject on both ends will come out on social media, and the attacks will come. I've seen it happen too many times to think it's isolated, or related to the approach.
- obstacle1 14y ago>I've seen it happen too many times to think it's isolated, or related to the approach. Can you show us an example of another such time?
- mkr-hn 14y agoThe people involved usually come to an amicable solution, so there's no need to dredge examples up. It seems to happen any time there's a convention, so you can catch the next one as it happens. You can open a TweetDeck column (or search tab) with the Twitter handle and watch the abuse fly by when it does.
- niggler 14y ago"She overreacted as did the man's employer, and she has not shown any remorse." The problem is that people are attributing to her certain actions that she was not involved in. She didn't fire the guy; the employer did, based on his interpretation of the actions. If calling attention to potential misogyny results in a witch-hunt or in victim-blaming, the underlying problems won't be addressed. lizzard (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5411276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5411276) wrote this earlier: "We need to be able to call out bad practices. People deny doing this stuff, they say we should report it, they say we should report it non-anonymously. Sadly every time we do... the same thing happens as a result."
- freehunter 14y ago>If calling attention to potential misogyny results in a witch-hunt or in victim-blaming, the underlying problems won't be addressed. What misogyny? From what I understand, they made a joke about the word dongle in a gender-specific way. Does a play on words about your gender's anatomy really equal misogyny? Maybe some people need to learn what misogyny actually means.
- niggler 14y agoI wrote potential because, although I see it as a joke between two people, I can see how others could be offended.
- freehunter 14y agoOffensive or even offensive to women doesn't mean misogyny. Misogyny is a hatred of women. Nothing in his comments comes close to demonstrating a hatred of women, or even intent to offend women.
- darkarmani 14y agoI think it's because her last name is Richards, she is sensitive to dick jokes.
- CodeMage 14y ago