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> The point is whether it could reasonably be considered offensive by a reasonable person. See, you didn't say that the first time. You said "the way listener

> The point is whether it could reasonably be considered offensive by a reasonable person. See, you didn't say that the first time. You said "the way listener interpreted the language was far more important". No caveats, no stipulations. Simply adding the word "reasonable" changes nearly everything about what you said. Doesn't make it more right, just makes it less wrong ;) > And yes, I'd have to say that saying "I want to fork his repo", followed up by "large dongle" phallus jokes, is a reasonable candidate to be considered offensive by someone. By someone, not by most reasonable people at a pycon conference. Even so, I'm sure a single reasonable person (which Adria has NOT shown herself to be, btw) might get offended by that. So I'll ask. So what? Is personal offense now the benchmark by which we judge what one can and cannot say?

eridius 14y ago
I said it was more important. I didn't say it was the only consideration in the world. You're taking a strangely absolutionist viewpoint that simply wasn't present in my comment. > By someone, not by most reasonable people at a pycon conference. Who are you to judge that? If I were sitting in front of those two guys I would have been made uncomfortable by the large dongle jokes, and I'm a straight white male, just like them. > Is personal offense now the benchmark by which we judge what one can and cannot say? In a professional setting? Yeah. Don't say things that you believe may offend your listeners. Setting and context matters. If you know the people you're talking to, you can probably judge what is and isn't ok to say. But if you're sitting in the middle of a sea of people, listening to a talk, then you don't know your listeners, and what's more, whatever you say is going to impede the ability of the people around you to listen to the speaker. Absolutely not the right time to start saying potentially offensive stuff.

eridius 14y ago

I said it was more important. I didn't say it was the only consideration in the world. You're taking a strangely absolutionist viewpoint that simply wasn't present in my comment. > By someone, not by most reasonable people at a pycon conference. Who are you to judge that? If I were sitting in front of those two guys I would have been made uncomfortable by the large dongle jokes, and I'm a straight white male, just like them. > Is personal offense now the benchmark by which we judge what one can and cannot say? In a professional setting? Yeah. Don't say things that you believe may offend your listeners. Setting and context matters. If you know the people you're talking to, you can probably judge what is and isn't ok to say. But if you're sitting in the middle of a sea of people, listening to a talk, then you don't know your listeners, and what's more, whatever you say is going to impede the ability of the people around you to listen to the speaker. Absolutely not the right time to start saying potentially offensive stuff.