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I don't get the point. 1. A said something to B (doesn't matter what he said) 2. C overheard and found it offensive. 3. Honestly, why should A & B care? (tha

I don't get the point. 1. A said something to B (doesn't matter what he said) 2. C overheard and found it offensive. 3. Honestly, why should A & B care? (that wasn't intended for C!) I shudder to think of a society where I must consider every word I say, just to avoid offending someone. Doing this will lead us to the kind of world described in Fahrenheit 451, where nobody can really write about anything or anyone because their opinions might offend someone. Also, I guess someone doesn't understand the difference between `sexual` and `sexist`.

masklinn 14y ago
> 3. Honestly, why should A & B care? (that wasn't intended for C!) it was a public event with a code of conduct in a crowded room with children in attendance. So C was free to report it to the conf. Sadly that's not what C did (when the conf staff got aware of it, they took everybody, discussed it and as far as I understood basically told A and B to be a bit more careful, then let everybody go and have a good time).
sp332 14y ago
I can understand her reaction at the conference. PyCon has a specific policy about this. Since they were in earshot of at least a dozen people around them, it was not a "private" conversation. The PyCon workers took her complaint seriously and didn't seem to have any problem helping her out. The only thing she was out of line about was shaming the guys publicly on twitter. Edit: just found this on the other thread, where someone claiming to be the guy who got fired makes pretty much the same point. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681
- masklinn 14y ago
  > The PyCon workers took her complaint seriously and didn't seem to have any problem helping her out. Indeed, leading to this: http://pycon.blogspot.be/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappropriate.html http://pycon.blogspot.be/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappropr... > Both parties were met with, in private. The comments that were made were in poor taste, and individuals involved agreed, apologized and no further actions were taken by the staff of PyCon 2013. No individuals were removed from the conference, no sanctions were levied.
  - sp332 14y ago
    Right. So is there an official statement from Playhaven that this is why they let him go? Seems we only have his word on that at this point, and it just seems kind of unlikely. (edit: wrong company)
    - masklinn 14y ago
      I think you mean PlayHaven? Unless I'm mistaken, SendGrid is Adria's employer (she's a developer evangelist for them), not the fired guy's.
      - sp332 14y ago
        already fixed, thanks ;)
        masklinn 14y ago
        Here's a blog post from playhaven: http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ Basically no additional information, they declare having conducted a "thorough investigation" but provide no information and basically don't add anything to "mr-hank"'s (the fired-guy-who-is-not-alex-reid) previous comments.
- aviraldg 14y ago
  The point of contention here seems to be whether what he said was offensive or not. A large majority of people I know (including women) would disagree. Inappropriate, maybe, but definitely not offensive. PyCon's policy states that sexist jokes aren't allowed. See my comment re: sexist vs sexual.
  - DanBC 14y ago
    The main point of contention is that she took a photograph of a bunch of people, and posted it to Twitter, and called 2 people in the photo (but without specifying which 2) sexists. People have differing opinions about language. What's important is how that's handled.

masklinn 14y ago

> 3. Honestly, why should A & B care? (that wasn't intended for C!) it was a public event with a code of conduct in a crowded room with children in attendance. So C was free to report it to the conf. Sadly that's not what C did (when the conf staff got aware of it, they took everybody, discussed it and as far as I understood basically told A and B to be a bit more careful, then let everybody go and have a good time).

sp332 14y ago

I can understand her reaction at the conference. PyCon has a specific policy about this. Since they were in earshot of at least a dozen people around them, it was not a "private" conversation. The PyCon workers took her complaint seriously and didn't seem to have any problem helping her out. The only thing she was out of line about was shaming the guys publicly on twitter. Edit: just found this on the other thread, where someone claiming to be the guy who got fired makes pretty much the same point. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681

masklinn 14y ago
> The PyCon workers took her complaint seriously and didn't seem to have any problem helping her out. Indeed, leading to this: http://pycon.blogspot.be/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappropriate.html http://pycon.blogspot.be/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inappropr... > Both parties were met with, in private. The comments that were made were in poor taste, and individuals involved agreed, apologized and no further actions were taken by the staff of PyCon 2013. No individuals were removed from the conference, no sanctions were levied.
- sp332 14y ago
  Right. So is there an official statement from Playhaven that this is why they let him go? Seems we only have his word on that at this point, and it just seems kind of unlikely. (edit: wrong company)
  - masklinn 14y ago
    I think you mean PlayHaven? Unless I'm mistaken, SendGrid is Adria's employer (she's a developer evangelist for them), not the fired guy's.
    - sp332 14y ago
      already fixed, thanks ;)
      - masklinn 14y ago
        Here's a blog post from playhaven: http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/ Basically no additional information, they declare having conducted a "thorough investigation" but provide no information and basically don't add anything to "mr-hank"'s (the fired-guy-who-is-not-alex-reid) previous comments.
aviraldg 14y ago
The point of contention here seems to be whether what he said was offensive or not. A large majority of people I know (including women) would disagree. Inappropriate, maybe, but definitely not offensive. PyCon's policy states that sexist jokes aren't allowed. See my comment re: sexist vs sexual.
- DanBC 14y ago
  The main point of contention is that she took a photograph of a bunch of people, and posted it to Twitter, and called 2 people in the photo (but without specifying which 2) sexists. People have differing opinions about language. What's important is how that's handled.