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You are speculating about someone else's motives and conduct. Unless you have evidence to back up the assertions you are making, you are behaving in exactly th

You are speculating about someone else's motives and conduct. Unless you have evidence to back up the assertions you are making, you are behaving in exactly the same manner for which you are criticizing others. Also, private conversations held in public are no longer private.

downandout 14y ago
Her actions reveal her motives. When someone offends you, are you more likely to ask them to be quiet, or take to your blog to write a lengthy post about it, trash them on Twitter, and get them fired? I'd hate to see what she's done to her ex boyfriends or girlfriends if this is truly just her standard reaction to being offended. By the way, she has posted a message on that blog post thanking HN users for stopping by and taking interest in her. That pretty clearly reinforces the idea that she is quite happy and cognizant of the fact that she managed to turn this into something far more than it was.
- knowtheory 14y ago
  Let's start with a disclaimer. I wasn't at PyCon, i don't know what actually happened and i think this entire affair is a disaster for everyone involved. I don't know who is right, but i do know there are a whole lot of people being assholes. Along those lines, why do you feel comfortable to sit in judgement of this woman, because she didn't do what you would have done? Try looking at this from another perspective. If the issue that she is concerned about is not this particular incidence of sexism that happens to be happening near her (if it did), but instead that the mindset of those in her community, telling these particular guys to STFU is not going to address the problem. If they're going to blow her off and just go somewhere else and continue being jackasses (again, if they actually were being jackasses), then what could she hope to achieve by confronting them directly? If on the other hand, her goal is to call out a particular type of conduct as unacceptable, then her behavior seems sensible. She's not going to change these dudes' minds, but she might reach others. So, post to blog, post to twitter. I wish everyone would stop jumping immediately to evil plots, and accusing others of intentionally gaining at the expense of someone else.
  - downandout 14y ago
    It's not an evil plot, it's just very opportunistic and shows a complete lack of concern or empathy for the effects of her actions on others. She probably thinks she came out on top of this because her follower count may have gone up slightly, but I think that in the end she has cost herself future opportunities with this. The message she sent was very simple: Being anywhere near her is a liability. You never know what will offend her, and how she will react to it. Do not hire her or take a job that would involve interaction with her. Stay away. Don't even eat lunch near her, as she may broadcast your lunch conversation if she finds the content to be objectionable.
    - knowtheory 14y ago
      And where has she shown to have a complete lack of concern or empathy for the effects of her actions on others? Has she gloated that her follower count has increased? Has she expressed any glee over these firings? In fact, if you've read the Venture Beat article they assert directly the opposite: Richards, while standing by her actions, has tweeted that she did not think the developer should lose his job. It’s fairly clear that getting him fired was not her intention.
      - jcc80 14y ago
        "Has she expressed any glee over these firings?" No, but she did compare herself to Joan of Arc and say that she stepped up when the future of women in tech was on the line. A tad bit dramatic.
        knowtheory 14y ago
        But surely even an overly dramatic defense of her own actions does not directly imply that she was trying to get anyone fired, or that her goal was only self-aggrandizement. She can be both obnoxious, maybe even wrong-headed, and still act in good faith. (even if her actions did not have the consequences she intended)
        14y ago
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coldtea 14y ago
>You are speculating about someone else's motives and conduct. Speculating? There were actual actions. Not to mention that she speculated about someone else's motives -- that he told a casual fucking joke to his pal because he was sexist, that he was responsible for women not going into tech, etc. Was the joke immature? Maybe. Should we socially crucify Kevin Smith and anybody that ever made a similar joke? And more importantly, was it addressed to her? No. I'm beyond outrage by such disgusting behavior. Not only did she EAVESDROP on a private conversation (which is horrible in itself), she also made it public, with a totally unnecessary picture of the persons talking, and made someone lose his job over a joke. She deserves to be taken out of the tech world and fired to taste her own medicine. >Also, private conversations held in public are no longer private. Really? Talking to your friend in the cinema, a conference or anywhere, is as private as it gets. He didn't say it addressing a large company. How you'd like to be followed in public by someone with a recording machine and expose your every idiotic comment to the world?

downandout 14y ago

Her actions reveal her motives. When someone offends you, are you more likely to ask them to be quiet, or take to your blog to write a lengthy post about it, trash them on Twitter, and get them fired? I'd hate to see what she's done to her ex boyfriends or girlfriends if this is truly just her standard reaction to being offended. By the way, she has posted a message on that blog post thanking HN users for stopping by and taking interest in her. That pretty clearly reinforces the idea that she is quite happy and cognizant of the fact that she managed to turn this into something far more than it was.

knowtheory 14y ago
Let's start with a disclaimer. I wasn't at PyCon, i don't know what actually happened and i think this entire affair is a disaster for everyone involved. I don't know who is right, but i do know there are a whole lot of people being assholes. Along those lines, why do you feel comfortable to sit in judgement of this woman, because she didn't do what you would have done? Try looking at this from another perspective. If the issue that she is concerned about is not this particular incidence of sexism that happens to be happening near her (if it did), but instead that the mindset of those in her community, telling these particular guys to STFU is not going to address the problem. If they're going to blow her off and just go somewhere else and continue being jackasses (again, if they actually were being jackasses), then what could she hope to achieve by confronting them directly? If on the other hand, her goal is to call out a particular type of conduct as unacceptable, then her behavior seems sensible. She's not going to change these dudes' minds, but she might reach others. So, post to blog, post to twitter. I wish everyone would stop jumping immediately to evil plots, and accusing others of intentionally gaining at the expense of someone else.
- downandout 14y ago
  It's not an evil plot, it's just very opportunistic and shows a complete lack of concern or empathy for the effects of her actions on others. She probably thinks she came out on top of this because her follower count may have gone up slightly, but I think that in the end she has cost herself future opportunities with this. The message she sent was very simple: Being anywhere near her is a liability. You never know what will offend her, and how she will react to it. Do not hire her or take a job that would involve interaction with her. Stay away. Don't even eat lunch near her, as she may broadcast your lunch conversation if she finds the content to be objectionable.
  - knowtheory 14y ago
    And where has she shown to have a complete lack of concern or empathy for the effects of her actions on others? Has she gloated that her follower count has increased? Has she expressed any glee over these firings? In fact, if you've read the Venture Beat article they assert directly the opposite: Richards, while standing by her actions, has tweeted that she did not think the developer should lose his job. It’s fairly clear that getting him fired was not her intention.
    - jcc80 14y ago
      "Has she expressed any glee over these firings?" No, but she did compare herself to Joan of Arc and say that she stepped up when the future of women in tech was on the line. A tad bit dramatic.
      - knowtheory 14y ago
        But surely even an overly dramatic defense of her own actions does not directly imply that she was trying to get anyone fired, or that her goal was only self-aggrandizement. She can be both obnoxious, maybe even wrong-headed, and still act in good faith. (even if her actions did not have the consequences she intended)
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coldtea 14y ago

>You are speculating about someone else's motives and conduct. Speculating? There were actual actions. Not to mention that she speculated about someone else's motives -- that he told a casual fucking joke to his pal because he was sexist, that he was responsible for women not going into tech, etc. Was the joke immature? Maybe. Should we socially crucify Kevin Smith and anybody that ever made a similar joke? And more importantly, was it addressed to her? No. I'm beyond outrage by such disgusting behavior. Not only did she EAVESDROP on a private conversation (which is horrible in itself), she also made it public, with a totally unnecessary picture of the persons talking, and made someone lose his job over a joke. She deserves to be taken out of the tech world and fired to taste her own medicine. >Also, private conversations held in public are no longer private. Really? Talking to your friend in the cinema, a conference or anywhere, is as private as it gets. He didn't say it addressing a large company. How you'd like to be followed in public by someone with a recording machine and expose your every idiotic comment to the world?